Originally posted by RocasAtoll
http://elysiumgates.com/~helena/Women.html
The site references Aristotle, but doesn't actually provide any evidence.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
http://elysiumgates.com/~helena/Women.html
The site references Aristotle, but doesn't actually provide any evidence.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/aristotle-spartanwomen.html
What Aristotle said about Spartan women.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/7849/herodotos.html
What Herodotos said. You don't have to read the whole thing. The other site summarizes both.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/11276/the_role_of_spartan_women_in_ancient.html
Article about the role. Not sure of the authenticity, but it's consistent with most other explanations.
Originally posted by chithappens
So what exactly is Grand asking anyway?I'm not sure I completely follow because no matter what is referenced he is calling bullshit
Actually no, I asked for evidence, Rocos linked to a site that made some claims but gave to evidence for them. He then linked to contemporary accounts...i.e evidence. Though I liked you assumption that "no matter what is referenced he is calling bullshit" how can you make that statement when only one thing was referenced...
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I said it didn't fit the Athenian Model- which it didnt.
I dunno man sounds like you are lying. You blantantly said it wasn't a democratic system. Thats what we were discussing not wether the systems were the same but wether they were democratic.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was actually asking Phantom_Zone to prove his claims about womans rights in Celtic Tribes and the idea of Democractic Tribes in Iceland.When I ask for evidence maybe a contemporary account or an early chronicle or narritive would be good.
Er sounds like your making excuses to me. You didn't complain about the source you just fobbed me off and said the system was not democratic. I have already posted the link im not posting it again but wiki got the information from The Njals saga.
Er in your last post you didn't mention anything about Celtic women but I posted a link for that already.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If it doesn't fit the Athenian Model, then it is not a democracy- end of.
Really? Anybody else who say this apart from, serioulsy. I was under the impression that a democracy has to fit into the defintion of what a democracy is and not neccesarily fit The Athenian model.
I thought there were different types of democracy and that was just one example.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was not aware of that...evidence?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Really? Anybody else who say this apart from, serioulsy. I was under the impression that a democracy has to fit into the defintion of what a democracy is and not neccesarily fit The Athenian model.I thought there were different types of democracy and that was just one example.
Did you? You thought wrong.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
The democracy the US runs now is closer to an oligarchy than it is to the Athenian model, so no. Try again.
The United states is an Oligarchy, not a democracy...
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
But it's considered as a democratic republic, so there are different forms of democracy that don't fit into the narrow definition of Athens. If it did, they hasn't been a civilized democracy since.
Many dictators like to call themselves Democratic...but they're not.
(Correct, there never has been)
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
But it's considered as a democratic republic, so there are different forms of democracy that don't fit into the narrow definition of Athens. If it did, they hasn't been a civilized democracy since.
You know what......im not that educated on democratic models but common sense indicated to me that this is true and GMG is just fobbing people off.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You know what......im not that educated on democratic models but common sense indicated to me that this is true and GMG is just fobbing people off.
Ok, thanks for the attack.
Why so agressive?
I assume fobbing off means lying and trying to stir up trouble...correct me if im wrong.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Ok, thanks for the attack.Why so agressive?
I assume fobbing off means lying and trying to stir up trouble...correct me if im wrong.
Well no fob off means not giving somebodies argument due respect ie somebody waits for an explanation and a completely unsatisfactory explanation is given. It could be mean a lie though but I don't think you are doing this in this instance.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well no fob off means not giving somebodies argument due respect ie somebody waits for an explanation and a completely unsatisfactory explanation is given. It could be mean a lie though but I don't think you are doing this in this instance.
Its not a term I am familiar with,
how am I not treating peoples arguments with due respect...I simply asked for evidence...