Originally posted by inimalist
actually, no, I don't [b]think they had firearms, though there are lots of stories about how the introduction of firearms into aboriginal communities totally disrupted their millennia old culture.the Zulu were totally unknown until the British invaders ran into the edge of their empire, in South East Africa.
British soldiers, experiencing almost no resistance in North and West Africa, started taking major losses to the highly organized Zulu army. Because of certain cultural practices and resources, the Zulu were able to develop beyond the normal nomadic tradition of the rest of Africa. [/B]
Southern Africa is more ripe in resources for agriculture but there was more than just the Zulu.
I wish I knew some links but I have more book sources than anything.
Originally posted by chithappens
Southern Africa is more ripe in resources for agriculture but there was more than just the Zulu.I wish I knew some links but I have more book sources than anything.
ya, I'm pretty ignorant of African history unfortunately
I knew the Zulu were the biggest, and the ones that really challenged the Europeans.
Originally posted by inimalist
actually, no, I don't [b]think they had firearms, though there are lots of stories about how the introduction of firearms into aboriginal communities totally disrupted their millennia old culture.the Zulu were totally unknown until the British invaders ran into the edge of their empire, in South East Africa.
British soldiers, experiencing almost no resistance in North and West Africa, started taking major losses to the highly organized Zulu army. Because of certain cultural practices and resources, the Zulu were able to develop beyond the normal nomadic tradition of the rest of Africa. [/B]
I really don't know enough about this but it seems to me they could have got guns if they were pressed. I know that there was is a famous battle between The Mandingos and Arab muslims who were using guns and The Mandingos almost won the battle. 😱
It seems to me that if the West africans were hard pressed they could have at least imported them from North Africa. The Mandingos also had an empire and far as I know when they started meeting with The Portugese its not like they were more primitive than they were, it seems they were just advanced but what really messed things up was that the empire fall apart so they could not organize themselves. Eventhough The Mandingos did not have guns militarily I think they were much more advanced than the Aborginals. Mandingo armies have been described as being 'war machines'.....sorry I could go on about this but The Mandingo were kinda hardcore.
To be quite honest you see this in other civilisations, this is one of the reasons why Norse heathenism got wiped out. If the different kings had joined forces they would have been able to defeat The Christians, I think this is also one of the reasons why The Roman Empire fell (in-fighting).
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
He largely defined what a democracy was and what an oligarchy was (oh and he also proves that "the entirety of history" does not disagree with me.It is his definition that is taught in Classical Studies all across the world, which is essentially a comparison between Ancient Society and Modern.
The public understanding may have changed, but fact is:
In the USA to become President you need lots and lots of money. This immediate limits the number of people who are likely to become president, thus its Oligarchic- one or two anomaly prove nothing.
In the UK you need to join a Political Party if you wish to get into Government, Political Parties are Oligarchies.
Originally posted by inimalist
ya, I'm pretty ignorant of African history unfortunatelyI knew the Zulu were the biggest, and the ones that really challenged the Europeans.
Originally posted by chithappens
I'll try to cite something later, but it just takes forever from a book 🙁
i hear what you mean. God dammit, every should consume the exact same information as me!!!
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I really don't know enough about this but it seems to me they could have got guns if they were pressed. I know that there was is a famous battle between The Mandingos and Arab muslims who were using guns and The Mandingos almost won the battle. 😱It seems to me that if the West africans were hard pressed they could have at least imported them from North Africa. The Mandingos also had an empire and far as I know when they started meeting with The Portugese its not like they were more primitive than they were, it seems they were just advanced but what really messed things up was that the empire fall apart so they could not organize themselves. Eventhough The Mandingos did not have guns militarily I think they were much more advanced than the Aborginals. Mandingo armies have been described as being 'war machines'.....sorry I could go on about this but The Mandingo were kinda hardcore.
To be quite honest you see this in other civilisations, this is one of the reasons why Norse heathenism got wiped out. If the different kings had joined forces they would have been able to defeat The Christians, I think this is also one of the reasons why The Roman Empire fell (in-fighting).
ya, please don't quote me on any of this, I only assume the Zulu had no guns.
in-fighting clearly had something to do with it, but I do think geography and climate play a huge role, if at a more basic level than what you are saying.
That mandingo stuff sounds good. When im not neck deep in freaking neuroscience I will try to look them up
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Ghana and a few other states on the coast of Eastern Africa were more advanced than the Zulu, which is why they were more easily beaten.
really? can you extrapolate more? my initial thoughts are that they were European enough that they had that style of military but still under-developed enough to be a push over? really though, I have no idea and would love to know 🙂
It's okay Moff.
Originally posted by inimalist
really? can you extrapolate more? my initial thoughts are that they were European enough that they had that style of military but still under-developed enough to be a push over? really though, I have no idea and would love to know 🙂
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
It's okay Moff.Zulu were more willing to commit to hit and run tactics. Ghana and the like were to the point of medieval kingdoms. They tried using medieval tactics like advancing in force and heavy cavalry charges. In the end, machine guns weren't that accommodating to those style of tactics.
I think The Huns kinda used hit and run tactics.
Originally posted by queeq
They did with cavalry. Not later when Atilla invaded the Roman Empire but at that time it wasn't an all Hun-army.
Anyway my point was that these techniques pre-dated Medival warfare techniques. In fact I think hit and run is like democracy...humans develop it when the need arises. 😆
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
...Church and State ladies and gentlemen, Church and State...
i think i mentioned this before, but I totally support anyone who puts their faith ahead of national law.
If you are a Catholic, and you believe in papal authority, then ya, I think its fine if you break a law that is against that religion.
What is really interesting, to me, is stuff like religious groups in New Mexico (including Christian sects) that are able to, for religious purposes, grow and consume prohibited psychedelic plants. If there is really supposed to be a separation of church and state, that shouldn't be allowed, should it? I find myself divided, as I'm against all prohibition, but I really don't like special treatment, especially for religions.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
...Church and State ladies and gentlemen, Church and State...Though, the Pope did manage to deter Attila from sacking Rome...
*ahem*
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav😉I apologise Mr. Hitler, I didn't realise this thread was your property last time I checked, when a user starts a topic it can go in pretty much any direction it pleases that is the nature of conversation after all...
Originally posted by inimalist
lol, nice to see you again queeq 😛was it the huns or the mongols who had the amazing calvary archers?
The Ghana detour was a bit off the beaten track. 😂
I think they both did, but the Mongols were way later. And sicne we don't know who the Huns were exactly, they may have come from Mongolia. Some suggest a Chinese descent. But who knows. We have so little info on them. All we know is they were archers (from the few most likely Hunnic graves) and came at least from as far as the Caspian Sea.
Originally posted by inimalist
i think i mentioned this before, but I totally support anyone who puts their faith ahead of national law.If you are a Catholic, and you believe in papal authority, then ya, I think its fine if you break a law that is against that religion.
What is really interesting, to me, is stuff like religious groups in New Mexico (including Christian sects) that are able to, for religious purposes, grow and consume prohibited psychedelic plants. If there is really supposed to be a separation of church and state, that shouldn't be allowed, should it? I find myself divided, as I'm against all prohibition, but I really don't like special treatment, especially for religions.
Yes for with faith you can't go wrong becuase all the laws that make senes come from faith