Originally posted by srankmissingninexactomundo
Seriously - It would be a good fight. Hawkman has to come into melee and aside from strength they are pretty even, and even his strength isn't a huge gab (aside from the plane thing - which I'm willing to write off as PIS), certainly Cap has fought MUCH stronger opponents. Hawkman will win in the end but Cap will make him work for it.
Hawkman is prob stronger...but not enough that it would make much difference in a battle
Originally posted by SoljerThe car had its own velocity as well, and Hawkman tossed it out of the way afterwards, despite being under it. Not to mention it WAS thrown by Grundy.
I think that Captain America could push a car out of the way just as easily, given the ability to fly at those speeds. Especially considering that it was midair (no friction), and that Hawkman was visibly "NGGH" struggling.Not that I don't believe that Hawkman is significantly stronger than Cap. I just don't feel that those two scans prove it.
Originally posted by Starscream MThe Claw has the power of a small planet landing on Cap. This is KMC where bad writing and PIS aren't in the equation. Bottom line is Hawkman crushes Cap. He's too versatile, has too many weapons and outclasses Cap. The dude also put up a good fight against Black Adam, for rell.
just like how Hulk 'crushed' Cap under his shield right....oh wait, he didn't.
Originally posted by Badabingumm...well, Caps shield not only blocks attakcs but also absorbs momentum and energy, hence I doubt he will get crushed by the claw of horus
The Claw has the power of a small planet landing on Cap. This is KMC where bad writing and PIS aren't in the equation. Bottom line is Hawkman crushes Cap. He's too versatile, has too many weapons and outclasses Cap. The dude also put up a good fight against Black Adam, for rell.
Cap hurts Hulk and it's considered a high showing.
Hawkman knocks the teeth from Despero and nobody bats an eyelash...
Hawkman matches Cap in everything that he doesn't hold advantages in.
And while Cap can parry for some time with the shield, as soon as a solid blow is landed, the fight's over.
Until then it would just be Carter driving Cap through wall after wall.
Were the fight on page, but KMC rules, everybody would go "lol curbstomp!!"
But seeing as the fight isn't, and people figure Cap can last a minute before being ground into the pavement, everybody figures that it's a good fight.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
The car had its own velocity as well, and Hawkman tossed it out of the way afterwards, despite being under it. Not to mention it WAS thrown by Grundy.
Having a large negative vertical velocity doesn't make it any more difficult to impart a horizontal one.
And, I could have missed it, but it didn't look like Hawkman tossed it out of the way. It looked like the car was about to squish someone and Hawkman pushed it out of the way - allowing it to continue falling, just a few meters away, where it wouldn't kill anyone.
Originally posted by Badabing
The Claw has the power of a small planet landing on Cap. This is KMC where bad writing and PIS aren't in the equation. Bottom line is Hawkman crushes Cap. He's too versatile, has too many weapons and outclasses Cap. The dude also put up a good fight against Black Adam, for rell.
Psh.
Hawkman doesn't have a wing or a prayer against Teth.
Not that doing badly against Teth means he can't take Cap. :-P.
Originally posted by SoljerNo, but having a negative vertical velocity makes it harder to impart a positive vertical one... look at the scan and Hawkman's "wind trail". He flys from above, underneath the car and holds it for a second, before imparting a horizontal velocity, as gravity imparts a negative vertical velocity.
Having a large negative vertical velocity doesn't make it any more difficult to impart a horizontal one.And, I could have missed it, but it didn't look like Hawkman tossed it out of the way. It looked like the car was about to squish someone and Hawkman pushed it out of the way - allowing it to continue falling, just a few meters away, where it wouldn't kill anyone.
Then look again. He's placed directly against the car's momentum. No matter how you slice it, that's more than pushing it out of the way.
Captain America could easily be written to beat Hawkman in a believe able manor; it isn't that far out of the question. They have similar levels of durability and speed and Hawkman isn't so much stronger (I'd place him somewhere in the 5-20 ton range) that Captain America would be totally overwhelmed. Captain America could definitely manage to pull out off a win with a lucky shot.
Hawkman will take the majority but people aren't giving Captain America enough credit.
Originally posted by Eel O'BrianI love how little credit you are giving to Cap, as if he fights street burglars all day. Cap has faced and beat guys much more powerful than Hawkman.But seeing as the fight isn't, and people figure Cap can last a minute before being ground into the pavement, everybody figures that it's a good fight.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
No, but having a negative vertical velocity makes it harder to impart a positive vertical one... look at the scan and Hawkman's "wind trail". He flys from above, underneath the car and holds it for a second, before imparting a horizontal velocity, as gravity imparts a negative vertical velocity.Then look again. He's placed directly against the car's momentum. No matter how you slice it, that's more than pushing it out of the way.
Yes, he does attempt to negate part of the vertical momentum, I acknowledge that. But he never out and out lifts the car. He gets under it, slows it (to an entirely indeterminable degree) and pushes it a few meters away so it won't crush someone.
Give Cap similar flight powers, and I think he could do exactly the same. Get under the car, slow it (to an entirely indeterminable degree) and push it far enough so that it doesn't kill an innocent.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo is right. It's gear that he uses regularly enough. Since the VS forum rules state they're at their best he brings his "big gun"....not that he needs it for rell.
... Because the Claw of Horus, is standard gear for Carter? Am I right? Huh, huh?No.
Originally posted by srankmissingninExcept this isn't a comic and you're not writing it. Hell, Batman has "been written" to take many people but on KMC that means nothing, for rell.
Captain America could easily be written to beat Hawkman in a believe able manor; it isn't that far out of the question. They have similar levels of durability and speed and Hawkman isn't so much stronger (I'd place him somewhere in the 5-20 ton range) that Captain America would be totally overwhelmed. Captain America could definitely manage to pull out off a win with a lucky shot.Hawkman will take the majority but people aren't giving Captain America enough credit.
Originally posted by SoljerDefinitively and unquestionably equal?
Hawkman doesn't match Cap for skill.Again; not trying to argue that Cap wins. He doesn't. Not even close.
Just, you know. Being Soljer.
No.
But the difference is minimal... IMO.
Especially given that Hawkman's more used to melee combat in the air vs. a grounded enemy than Cap is vice versa.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Definitively and unquestionably equal?No.
But the difference is minimal... IMO.
Especially given that Hawkman's more used to melee combat in the air vs. a grounded enemy than Cap is vice versa.
Hawkman is quite skilled, I give him that unquestionably. But he's definitely not an A-lister by any stretch of the imagination, whereas Cap is the tippy-top of 'A.'
But you've got a point about their comparative experience - grounded vs. flying foes and what not.
Originally posted by Starscream MYou really don't need to teach me respect for Cap. I have it. But Cap won't have any edges in this fight. And Hawkman will have quite a few.
I love how little credit you are giving to Cap, as if he fights street burglars all day. Cap has faced and beat guys much more powerful than Hawkman.
Originally posted by Badabing
No is right. It's gear that he uses regularly enough. Since the VS forum rules state they're at their best he brings his "big gun"....not that he needs it for rell.
Not nearly enought by any stretch of the imagination to assume he'd have it by defualt.
Originally posted by Badabing
Except this isn't a comic and you're not writing it. Hell, Batman has "been written" to take many people but on KMC that means nothing, for rell.
I said written in a believable manor, not just written....
Captain America could easily come out on top against Hawkman with out people say "Bullshit, that's PIS!"
Originally posted by SoljerSure he does. He doesn't let go of the car until the girls ran off a ways away. Again, that's not simply pushing a car... he's underneath a car, for long enough for the girls to have the conversation and get gone, and the car starts with its own velocity. I'd really put that as an extremely noteworthy Cap feat. Next time you see Cap catch a car so some little people can move their asses, let me know.
Yes, he does attempt to negate part of the vertical momentum, I acknowledge that. But he never out and out [b]lifts the car. He gets under it, slows it (to an entirely indeterminable degree) and pushes it a few meters away so it won't crush someone.Give Cap similar flight powers, and I think he could do exactly the same. Get under the car, slow it (to an entirely indeterminable degree) and push it far enough so that it doesn't kill an innocent. [/B]