Hawkman (Carter) versus Captain America

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Sure he does. He doesn't let go of the car until the girls ran off a ways away. Again, that's not simply pushing a car... he's underneath a car, for long enough for the girls to have the conversation and get gone, and the car starts with its own velocity. I'd really put that as an extremely noteworthy Cap feat. Next time you see Cap catch a car so some little people can move their asses, let me know.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not nearly enought by any stretch of the imagination to assume he'd have it by defualt.

I said written in a believable manor, not just written....

Captain America could easily come out on top against Hawkman with out people say "Bullshit, that's PIS!"

There's a difference between what can be written and how things work on KMC. Logan was written to beat Lobo (crossover), WW Hulk to beat Marvel, Batman batkicks DS and he bled, etc. A lot can be written for the sake of the plot but here we take most of that out to reflect a characters true strengths. Cap is simply outgunned in almost every conceivable area. Cap has great feats which support a few wins. But a bloodlusted Hawkman will make Cap lose, for rell.

Oh my God, MB is retarded... doh

Anyways, I certainly don't see Cap easily doing this:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkmanv42810.jpg

(The car HAD been moving pretty fast)

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Sure he does. He doesn't let go of the car until the girls ran off a ways away. Again, that's not simply pushing a car... he's underneath a car, for long enough for the girls to have the conversation and get gone, and the car starts with its own velocity. I'd really put that as an extremely noteworthy Cap feat. Next time you see Cap catch a car so some little people can move their asses, let me know.

Are we really using conversations as indicators of time elapsed now?

In a comic, lengthy conversations take place in mid-punch.

Further; judging by the perspective, the girls could have been no more than a few meters from the car by the time it hit the ground. It isn't unreasonable to assume that a normal human, fleeing for their life, could cover said distance in a very short time. Especially when Hawkman already moved the car some distance himself.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Anyways, I certainly don't see Cap easily doing this:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkmanv42810.jpg

(The car HAD been moving pretty fast)

Is this in response to me?

If so; I never even pretended to claim that Cap was as strong as Hawkman, nor that he'd win this fight.

I was merely doubting the validity of a posted feat emphasizing a significant advantage in Hawkman's favor.

Originally posted by Soljer
Is this in response to me?

If so; I never even pretended to claim that Cap was as strong as Hawkman, nor that he'd win this fight.

I was merely doubting the validity of a posted feat emphasizing a significant advantage in Hawkman's favor.

You said you were debating the feat, not the statement.

I'm just solidifying the statement.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Of course not.

You said you were debating the feat, not the statement.

I'm just solidifying the statement.

👆 Just making sure. I hate for people to misinterpret me.

Originally posted by Soljer
Are we really using conversations as indicators of time elapsed now?

In a comic, lengthy conversations take place in mid-punch.

Further; judging by the perspective, the girls could have been no more than a few meters from the car by the time it hit the ground. It isn't unreasonable to assume that a normal human, fleeing for their life, could cover said distance in a very short time. Especially when Hawkman already moved the car some distance himself.

Base line: I think our interpretations, while close, separate mainly on the point of whether this is a feat as easily within Caps range of doability as it is within Carter's.

Originally posted by Badabing
And I say it's part of his arsenal, for rell. You don't get to decide his default, relly. Being at his best, per forum rules, means he'll have the best weapons especially since the thread starter didn't specify no Claw.

By the same token, I can just assume that Cyclops shows up the every match with Muramasa...

Originally posted by Badabing
There's a difference between what can be written and how things work on KMC. Logan was written to beat Lobo (crossover), WW Hulk to beat Marvel, Batman batkicks DS and he bled, etc. A lot can be written for the sake of the plot but here we take most of that out to reflect a characters true strengths. Cap is simply outgunned in almost every conceivable area.

Yeah, I know Hawkman was written to support the weight of an airplane... what was up with that! Seriously though, are you purposely trying to misunderstand me?

Originally posted by Badabing
Cap has great feats which support a few wins. But a bloodlusted Hawkman will make Cap lose, for rell.

... so you agree with everything I said? WTF

If Captain America can take a few wins (like I said) then he can be conceivably/believably/accurately written to take down Hawkman. Which is what just like I said. There are differences between something be written accurately and something just being written... stop pretending you don't understand what I'm saying. 😠

Originally posted by Badabing
Cap has great feats which support a few wins.

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
Without leverage, when the car has a falling velocity, I don't see Cap as easily pulling that off. All velocity that Carter had was null by the time the girls looked up to go "OMG!", and then Carter seemed (IMO) to be supporting it only grunting with much more ease than I would give Cap. Especially considering that, while he has wings to stabilize, as you pointed out, it's in mid air and Carter has nothing to use as leverage or for the added friction.

Base line: I think our interpretations, while close, separate mainly on the point of whether this is a feat as easily within Caps range of doability as it is within Carter's.

Fair enough. I'd consider such a feat to be high-end for Cap, but still within the realm of possibility for him.

I think everyone here believes Carter wins the majority but Cap is more than capable of winning a few? Why are we arguing? Let's all be chums!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think everyone here believes Carter wins the majority but Cap is more than capable of winning a few? Why are we arguing? Let's all be chums!

Agreed.

The better question here is not who wins in a fight between Hawkman and Cap, but who more easily stomps the hell out of Wolverine.

Chum. 😛.

Originally posted by Soljer
Agreed.

The better question here is not who wins in a fight between Hawkman and Cap, but who more easily stomps the hell out of Wolverine.

Chum. 😛.

😖hifty:

Hawkman is a flying Wolverine.

/ninja vanish

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
😖hifty:

Hawkman is a flying Wolverine.

/ninja vanish

Which is why Cap can take so many wins from him, amirite?

Take away the flight, and Cap demolishes him.

😖hifty:.

Originally posted by Soljer
Which is why Cap can take so many wins from him, amirite?

Take away the flight, and Cap demolishes him.

😖hifty:.

Flying is for fancy boys. Being on the ground increases ones manliness and chances of winning. Captain America is lucky those wings are there. 🙂

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Flying is for fancy boys. Being on the ground increases ones manliness and chances of winning. Captain America is lucky those wings are there. 🙂

Good point. Which is why Cap's first move would be launching Wolverine into flight with an uppercut....😉.

Wolverine's manliness will hold him steadfast to the ground like an anchor! It's like that for all Canadians, we are unbelievably manly... and Wolverine is from Alberta making him even manlier! Alberta is like Canada's Texas, only with reading!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... Because the Claw of Horus, is standard gear for Carter? Am I right? Huh, huh?

No.

Actually it is, he can pull it out any time he wants and Hawkgirl has used it in battle as well

Originally posted by Soljer
Hawkman doesn't match Cap for skill.

Again; not trying to argue that Cap wins. He doesn't. Not even close.

Just, you know. Being Soljer.

That's debatable, as Hawkman doesn't just have 1000 years of experience, he has over 4000 and retains everything he has learned in his past lives

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America could easily be written to beat Hawkman in a believe able manor; it isn't that far out of the question. They have similar levels of durability and speed and Hawkman isn't so much stronger (I'd place him somewhere in the 5-20 ton range) that Captain America would be totally overwhelmed. Captain America could definitely manage to pull out off a win with a lucky shot.

Hawkman will take the majority but people aren't giving Captain America enough credit.

Similar durability and speed? Ummmm what?

Originally posted by Soljer
Hawkman is quite skilled, I give him that unquestionably. But he's definitely not an A-lister by any stretch of the imagination, whereas Cap is the tippy-top of 'A.'

Ummm...what? 😬
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This is a joke right? Hawkman really does have every advantage going

Nuff said:

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg