Adamantium Sabretooth & Cyber vs Classic Thor/no Hammer

Originally posted by llagrok
People are ignoring the time when beat the shit out Korg's people, who are apparently all walking class 100s. The time when he had every tendon in his body torn and still suffered through!

Crusader I'm afraid. Really, really low showing for him, but it happened.

How does a mystical sword backed by at least class 25 strength equate to simply getting stabbed by a sword or knife?

Does anybody have any scans or somesuch of Thor being hurt by slashing/piercing weapons that were not magical/mystical in nature?

Jinzin is like really owning you all and his points make sense. You cant argue the fact that sabertooth cant hang with bricks (which thor would be in this fight) because sabes alone has taken on sasquash who is a 100 tonner along with other bricks and did pretty good. Hell spiderman ran circles around thor and thor admitted that spiderman was too fast for him so basically I can see the same thing happening in this battle.

Yes thor would still be a powerful character but he is fighting two beings that has the powerset to withstand powerful blows and just bounce back up. We have already witnessed one of the most powerful versions of thor get slash by wolverine and this was a thor that possessed his powers and youre still in disbelief that sabes or cyber isnt able to cut him. This would be a very over whelming fight for thor. Not only would he be going h2h with one superior fight WITH claws that he would basically have to avoid but he would have to worry about another character sneaking up on him stabbing him in the head.

And people bring up the hulk fight, when it comes to dodging swerving, and basically running around your opponent, wolverine has a much better showing against hulk then thor does. There has been times where hulk has struggled to hit wolverine but lands almost every blow on thor because again thor wasnt as fast or maneuverable as wolverine. The thing that would make thor lose this battle tremendously is due to the fact that his durablity isnt strong enough to handle adamantium claws, he has two people on the field that is faster, more agile, better fighters, and could basically take his best shot and jump right back up. If cyber get one slash (which he would get), the fight is done.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I dunno, man. Jinzin goin on a tirade and using Mongoose as an example that Sabes and Cyber have a chance. Despite the fact that Mongoose is one of the High Evolutionary's New Men and is so fast, he can run up the side of a building, managed to gas Spiderman, who sensed it with his spidey-sense, but couldn't dodge it because Mongoose was too fast, strong enough to knock out a building's support columns (class 10 tons), etc.

Even without Mjolnir, he believes this to the bottom of his heart, despite Thor being bulletproof to fighter jet bullets, strong enough to gouge out a hammer out of solid uru rock with his fingers, good enough to take out both Loki and Fenris and has stated constantly that he holds back against mortal opponents for fear of harming them (which wouldn't apply here on KMC, since they fight to the best of their ability and don't hold back).

He actually thinks that the team stomps Thor. 🙄

Thor 9/10.

You think gassing Spiderman is an example of super speed? Do I really need to point out that his Spider sense can pick up street levels who hit him and he fails to avoid them? Or the fact that Fisk has gassed him in about a half a dozen encounters? Or the number of times Goblins have gassed him with little to no effort whatsoever? The fact is that when it came down to mano'y'mano Spiderman was outpacing Mongoose like he was a chump. Not to mention the fact that Spiderman's used his speed to topple Thor off a rooftop, speedblitze Masterson Thor, and even Spiderbot got the better of Thor.

The argument isn't Mongoose>Thor and Sabretooth>Mongoose. Or even Spiderman>Thor and Sabretooth>Spiderman as I'm sure you'll misinterpret and misrepresent that as well. It's that Thor's not a fast enough opponent nor flawless enough to evade getting the shit eviscerated out of him before KOing both opponents in this fight. And the fact that Cyber's in this mix is a monumental key to the outcome of this fight as well since his hallucinegenic drugs would hinder Thor to the point of defeat with basically one scratch nevermind a full on gutting or whatnot.

Now we've seen that Thor's not completely bullet proof as a bullet as entered his head and dropped him completely.
When he was shown to be bullet proof, it was barely so, as he was still welting up from the shots.. but hey guess what.. Hulk don't welt up to anti tank rounds and Adamantium claws still rend through him in WWH just like Wolverine rent through Thor's arm when he had the Odin Power as Rune King.

Comparing bullets to Adamantium claws is about as ludicrous as comparing a swordsmen and a beast to two guys with experienced expert fighting ability in h2h.

Maybe in fantasy land Thor's some infalible being who wins simply by being Thor, but in 616 (the only fictional place that matters) he's been beaten by lesser than the likes of an Adamantiumized super duo like these two.

And yes, (*sigh*) Thor's inhibitions from CIS still apply here on KMC hence the CIS portion of the rules...

Now.. Aside from any more "Nu-uh" arguments do you really have anything to defend this position you've taken?

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Does anybody have any scans or somesuch of Thor being hurt by slashing/piercing weapons that were not magical/mystical in nature?

Originally posted by jinzin
You think gassing Spiderman is an example of super speed? Do I really need to point out that his Spider sense can pick up street levels who hit him and he fails to avoid them?

Originally posted by jinzin
Now we've seen that Thor's not completely bullet proof as a bullet as entered his head and dropped him completely.
When he was shown to be bullet proof, it was barely so, as he was still welting up from the shots.. but hey guess what.. Hulk don't welt up to anti tank rounds and Adamantium claws still rend through him in WWH just like Wolverine rent through Thor's arm when he had the Odin Power as Rune King.

Originally posted by jinzin
And yes, (*sigh*) Thor's inhibitions from CIS still apply here on KMC hence the CIS portion of the rules...

Originally posted by jinzin
Aside from Wolverine rendering Rune Kings arm useless? 😕
I suppose that sniper round was magical too? 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes. It is an example of superspeed/agility. Especially when Spiderman says that it was because Mongoose "moved too fast," which allowed him to gas Spidey: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5470131 Do you forget that Mongoose can run vertically up the side of a building? Are we really questioning Mongoose's superspeed?
When exactly did Thor get knocked out by a bullet to the head? Do you mean when he was sniped by a special bullet in a Black Panther story as confirmed by the writer? And mentioning that such powerful bullets from these fighter jets are no more troublesome than causing mere welts? He just made a comment that it'd do no more than put welts on Asgardian skin. I don't see his skin welting up here:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/thor48003we0.jpg
[b]"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise." Per forum rules you assume they fight at their best. Thor's best is not holding back. Holding back against mortals is not CIS. "CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates." He isn't stupid or genuinely dumb when he holds back. He does it purposefully to not endanger lives. That wouldn't apply here. If you still don't agree, then we can agree to disagree OR ask the thread starter if he meant for Thor to hold back against these two opponents.
Umm. Not canon? Therefore, not valid for citing in a vs. thread? What else do you have? [/B]

adamantium claws>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullets.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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The truth was funny huh.

Sabertooth and cyber 9/10

hysterical

Originally posted by jinzin
Aside from Wolverine rendering Rune Kings arm useless? 😕
I suppose that sniper round was magical too? 😬

1) Wolverine never fought RKT, that was regular king Thor
2) Nowhere did it say that he rendered Thor's arm useless
3) It was confirmed by the writer to have been special gun.

http://www.comicboards.com/blackpanther/view.php?rpl=010924160126&q=bakg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
hysterical

Answer this for me onedumbgo, do you think that THING would give thor a fight without his hammer. If this was THING instead of these two, do you think that thing would get some wins over thor and do a good job.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How is the Crusader fight a low showing? Crusader was magically empowered by all of his Crusading ancestors. Database puts him at least at class 25. His armor, shield and sword were magically powered too. His power was based on his faith. And when it was at it's peak, he was defending against full-blown Mjolnir shots.

How does a mystical sword backed by at least class 25 strength equate to simply getting stabbed by a sword or knife?

It doesn't, when did I EVER claim that it did?

Read the ****ing posts.

^ I asked when Thor was stabbed by a sword or knife. Crusader's mystical sword hardly fits that bill. It's like asking if Wolverine's ever been nearly killed by a sword or knife and someone brings up the Muramasa sword. Swearing not necessary. Although you do equate that to a low showing. Still don't know why. When his faith was in full-force, he was able to block Mjolnir shots. It's similar to Gladiator's power fluctuations and his confidence.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me onedumbgo, do you think that THING would give thor a fight without his hammer. If this was THING instead of these two, do you think that thing would get some wins over thor and do a good job.

Thor might win but these guys do have good fighting skills adamantium weapons and pretty good healing factors. Sabretooth with his upgrades lifts betten 20 and 30 tons Cyber lifts 10.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes. It is an example of superspeed/agility. Especially when Spiderman says that it was because Mongoose "moved too fast," which allowed him to gas Spidey: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5470131 Do you forget that Mongoose can run vertically up the side of a building? Are we really questioning Mongoose's superspeed?

So what if he gassed Spiderman too fast. Once again, so has Fisk. Fisk isn't quicksilver.. and niether is mongoose.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When exactly did Thor get knocked out by a bullet to the head? Do you mean when he was sniped by a special bullet in a Black Panther story as confirmed by the writer? And mentioning that such powerful bullets from these fighter jets are no more troublesome than causing mere welts? He just made a comment that it'd do no more than put welts on Asgardian skin. I don't see his skin welting up here:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/thor48003we0.jpg

I guess he doesn't hold back on mortal opponents then.

Implying that he was lying is the epitome of grasping.
And yeah I'm sure with the panels either a close up of his head or a full body shot from afar our inability to see those welts means more than his statement. 🙄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[b]"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise." Per forum rules you assume they fight at their best. Thor's best is not holding back. Holding back against mortals is not CIS. "CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates." [/B]

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He isn't stupid or genuinely dumb when he holds back. He does it purposefully to not endanger lives. That wouldn't apply here. If you still don't agree, then we can agree to disagree OR ask the thread starter if he meant for Thor to hold back against these two opponents.
Umm. Not canon? Therefore, not valid for citing in a vs. thread? What else do you have?

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So the only real evidence of whether Thor can handle Adamantium one way or the other is simply going to be ignored by you?
pfft.. not surprising in the least.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I asked when Thor was stabbed by a sword or knife. Crusader's mystical sword hardly fits that bill. It's like asking if Wolverine's ever been nearly killed by a sword or knife and someone brings up the Muramasa sword. Swearing not necessary. Although you do equate that to a low showing. Still don't know why. When his faith was in full-force, he was able to block Mjolnir shots.

So like saying "bullets> Wolverine" for instance?

And his shield only blocked a few Mjolnir shots before getting dinged up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'd think Thing would show a lot of heart and it'd take an inordinate amount of pummeling to do the job, but I'd pick Thor at least 8/10 against Thing with all the current stipulations involved that inhibit Thor.

the classic "thing has heart" argument... never fails.

Thor wins this hands down. sure he does have some low feats in which he was weak to sharp objects but why discard his other feats which prove the direct opposite? Wolverine cutting RKT is non canon and it is laughable dat it is evn being used. Since when did non canon events become evidence in a comic debate? Thor is still far far stronger than both of these guys and he can resist whatever they throw at him. He wins 9/10 via moon throw

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor wins this hands down. sure he does have some low feats in which he was weak to sharp objects but why discard his other feats which prove the direct opposite? Wolverine cutting RKT is non canon and it is laughable dat it is evn being used. Since when did non canon events become evidence in a comic debate? Thor is still far far stronger than both of these guys and he can resist whatever they throw at him. He wins 9/10 via moon throw

The hell with it, I'll just claim that Adamantium can rend through Thor like he's made out of wet paper with absolutely no evidence to support it. I mean why not? 😱

At any rate Admantium claws can cut Thor, they cut beings stronger than Thor.
Bone claw Wolverine has beaten Herc.
And Herc has been scared shitless of his Adamantium claws. To even imply that Thor can resist being diced by Adamantium blades is the only laughable thing here.

He can't resist whatever they throw at him, Sabretooth nicks an artery Thor's going down, if Cyber even touches Thor with his claws.. just one scratch, the fight's over. Thor doesn't have any room to make mistakes. Against two guys who won't compound damage anywhere near as easily, are better or as good of fighters, and faster.. That's not likely that Thor's fighting this fight immaculately.

Jinzin, Wolverine cut King Thor's arm, not Rune King Thor. Just wanted to let you know. There is a BIG difference between the two. And recently, it was proven that Thor is bullet proof. But we are talking about classic Thor, so know doubt admantium can cut him and at the time his durability against bullets was in question.