Odin and Thanos vs. Shazam and Takion

Originally posted by fangirl101
If I didn't Think Thanos was comparable then I wouldnt' have put him in this thread. That would have been spite. And It doesn't matter if Takion Died or not. Who cares. What he wanted to accomplish was. Now come back to me if he sets out to do something and doesn't do it.

And again, it's not my job to prove that Takion isn't that much more powerful than Surfer, it's your job to prove that Takion IS much more powerful than Surfer...

No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.

Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It DOES matter that he died, because it makes it impossible to gauge how much he really accomplished. Surfer could die trying to stop the God Wave, there's no real feat there.

And again, it's not my job to prove that Takion isn't that much more powerful than Surfer, it's your job to prove that Takion IS much more powerful than Surfer...

No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.

[B]Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it. [/B]

who the hell cares if he died. Superman died stopping doomsday. we know wonder woman couldn't have stopped doomsday and she would have died. The feat was in him STOPPING THE GODWAVE. Takion is much more powerful than surfer. Surfer Cannot Beat Kyle rayner GL, Flash, And Captain atom at the same time. Oh Takion is more powerful than a planet full of heroes and apok forces.

He stops all of them from fighting with a wave. when surfer can do that, let me know. Notice that there is even an old God among the heroes who have just been pulled from the fray by Takion's power.

Originally posted by fangirl101
who the hell cares if he died. Superman died stopping doomsday. we know wonder woman couldn't have stopped doomsday and she would have died.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The feat was in him STOPPING THE GODWAVE.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Takion is much more powerful than surfer.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer Cannot Beat Kyle rayner GL, Flash, And Captain atom at the same time.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Oh Takion is more powerful than a planet full of heroes and apok forces.

He stops all of them from fighting with a wave. when surfer can do that, let me know. Notice that there is even an old God among the heroes who have just been pulled from the fray by Takion's power.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes was successful at stopping DD, Takion just held the GW long enough for the others to escape. Then he died. Does the fact that Conner went down swinging against SBP mean that we should consider him to be more powerful than Supes and WW?

He didn't stop the God Wave, he just stalled it for a minute.

Yet to be proven.

Have you actually seen that fight? The heroes were trying to contain him and were attacking one at a time. What's more, ALL of them managed to get in at least one good shot that had him reeling. Truth be told I really don't see that particular encounter as being anymore impressive than WM Thor's in the Blood and Thunder arc.

How do you figure his levitating/teleporting(I can't really tell which) that group indicates that he's more powerful than a planet full of heroes?

Um, levitating? He yanked them out mid battle and they could do nothing about it. And THERE WAS AN ELDER GOD there.

Also takion stalled the Godwave. Highfather,shazam, nore anyone else could. Unless of course you think surfer shazam too. LMAO.

I have the 7 issue takion series. do you? Takion manipulated the forces of a black hole he created. thanos, who is superior to surfer got bitched by the forces of a black hole. Surfer may create them, show us him manipulating thier forces.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, levitating? He yanked them out mid battle and they could do nothing about it. And THERE WAS AN ELDER GOD there.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Also takion stalled the Godwave. Highfather,shazam, nore anyone else could. Unless of course you think surfer shazam too. LMAO.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I have the 7 issue takion series. do you? Takion manipulated the forces of a black hole he created. thanos, who is superior to surfer got bitched by the forces of a black hole. Surfer may create them, show us him manipulating thier forces.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah, he levitated them(or whatever) above the battle and they asked him what was up without actually trying to go back. I fail to see why you find that so impressive.

Did they actually say that the others were unable to? Maybe they just weren't ready for a suicide run.

Ok...
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2585/mcp5030ampinghh6.jpg

Um using the black hole to amply his powers is somehow manipulating the force of the hole? What the hell? that is not even close. And Shazam said that TAKION WAS CREATED for such ends. No one else had the power he commanded. Besides the fact that once the source was restored so was he, lends credance that he can't be killed as long as the source is around unless by the source. Oh let's see Surfer Levitate thanos without his permission. He won't be able to. There was and ELDER GOD there.That takion clearly yanked from the battle. Your saying levitate as if he just picked people who don't have powers, who cant' fly, who were just standing around, up.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um using the black hole to amply his powers is somehow manipulating the force of the hole? What the hell? that is not even close.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I have the 7 issue takion series. do you? Takion manipulated the forces of a black hole he created. thanos, who is superior to surfer got bitched by the forces of a black hole. Surfer may create them, show us him manipulating thier forces.

But if you want to make this about specific plot driven feats, why don't you show me an instance of Takion manipulating pure spatial energy...

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3371/silversurfer0223xl0.jpg

Originally posted by fangirl101
And Shazam said that TAKION WAS CREATED for such ends. No one else had the power he commanded.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Besides the fact that once the source was restored so was he, lends credance that he can't be killed as long as the source is around unless by the source.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Oh let's see Surfer Levitate thanos without his permission. He won't be able to. There was and ELDER GOD there.That takion clearly yanked from the battle. Your saying levitate as if he just picked people who don't have powers, who cant' fly, who were just standing around, up.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah it is. He's manipulating the energy of the Black Hole(by absorbing and altering it) and that's what you asked for...

But if you want to make this about specific plot driven feats, why don't you show me an instance of Takion manipulating pure spatial energy...

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3371/silversurfer0223xl0.jpg

Wait Shazam actually SAID that no one else could do it?

Nice theory. Any concrete evidence to back it up or is it based solely on extrapolation?

I'll do you one better. Here's an instance of Surfer stopping every conflict on Earth simultaneously and in a more impressive fashion than Takion's feat...
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7294/silversurfer199713317uh2.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/143/silversurfer199713318ml1.jpg

LOL at this attempt.

First thing is I said Takion manipulated the forces of the black hole itself. not the energy to boost himself. That means he controlled the effects of the black hole to such a point that it effected nothing but the carrier that he wanted. I can control the energy of a car by pressing on the gas. If I'm outside of the car and try to manipulate the same force, i'd get steam rolled.

If anyone else could have stopped the power of the Godwave why didnt' they? As a matter of fact, Takion not only was pressing against the power, he opened up portals thru all of that the heroes could attack. They were ALL overwhelmed.

Surfer stopping every conflict on earth is nice. Shows no super powered beings. Certainly shows no elder Gods. Saying it's greater than Takion yanking high powered beings and an elder God is a bit, um, I don't know, strechty?

The sheer depth of Takion's power dwarfs Surfer's. He can shut down almost any superpowered being in DC. The Source is the power for all of them. It's also a limitless energy source, and unlike the power cosmic, it cannot be exhausted by an enormous effort.

Also, Takion's use of anti-matter in his fight against Stayne is energy/matter manip beyond Surfer's power. In the DCU, just summoning anti-matter creates vast destruction.

Originally posted by fangirl101
It is the freaking spectre. You act as if getting stomped by the spectre is a low feat. Only a fool could think such a thing. the fact that shazam put up any kind of fight at all is a feat.

as for calling me a fool you really dont learn do you nvr.just dont start crying like you used to do when some bashes you.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I said cunning. Never said as smart. You can be crafty without being brilliant. I can't believe you can't read what I wrote.

Calling a hostless spectre a baffoon is stupid. That is the point of a hostless spectre. It is raw emotion with no tethering. which is why it needs a soul.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Why do you automatically assume that it's up to others to prove you wrong?

No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
[B]Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.

Now you claim that Takion is far superior to Surfer right? So it's up to you to prove that Takion is far superior to Surfer who's channeled the energies of the Crunch, stalemated Millinius(one of Odin's villains), evolved an entire planet billions of years in a matter of moments, beat the Stranger, punked a Watcher, and took down the Unilord. [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101
The surfer gets punked by Thanos. Who's greatest feats involve beating herald level characters, getting his ass kicked by Odin and not dying, etc. Forget takion being cooler, cuz he's not cooler than SS. He simply is far more powerful. The crunch energies were not his own power. He simply channelled them. takion used his OWN power against the power of the God wave. The stranger got frozen by iceman. So forgive me if surfer beating him isn't impressing me. Odin has many villians Not all of them are on the same level. unless you think that means he can stalemate Surtur as well.

Surfer has oodles more feats while Takion has a few and one of which he died. 😂

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, levitating? He yanked them out mid battle and they could do nothing about it. And THERE WAS AN ELDER GOD there.

Also takion stalled the Godwave. Highfather,shazam, nore anyone else could. Unless of course you think surfer shazam too. LMAO.

I have the 7 issue takion series. do you? Takion manipulated the forces of a black hole he created. thanos, who is superior to surfer got bitched by the forces of a black hole. Surfer may create them, show us him manipulating thier forces.

Here is one the crunch. Here is the difference. Surfer would have died prolly if no for Galactus' intervention but he accomplished his goal. T and A were stopped while the godwave wasnt.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The sheer depth of Takion's power dwarfs Surfer's. He can shut down almost any superpowered being in DC. The Source is the power for all of them. It's also a limitless energy source, and unlike the power cosmic, it cannot be exhausted by an enormous effort.

Also, Takion's use of anti-matter in his fight against Stayne is energy/matter manip beyond Surfer's power. In the DCU, just summoning anti-matter creates vast destruction.

Originally posted by Nihilist
you tried to make it sound like he stood up spectre on the spot.
he was only able to stand up against spectre because of the reasons i gave.other wise he is weak.

as for calling me a fool you really dont learn do you nvr.just dont start crying like you used to do when some bashes you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove its limitless first off because Darkseid had the Source beat with a finite amount of energy.

You didn't read DOTNG, did you? 🙄 2nd, prove THE SOURCE is unlimited?

hysterical Go to hell.

Originally posted by Nihilist
you tried to make it sound like he stood up spectre on the spot.
he was only able to stand up against spectre because of the reasons i gave.other wise he is weak.

as for calling me a fool you really dont learn do you nvr.just dont start crying like you used to do when some bashes you.

Prove that Shazam is weak.

Originally posted by fangirl101
LOL at this attempt.

First thing is I said Takion manipulated the forces of the black hole itself. not the energy to boost himself. That means he controlled the effects of the black hole to such a point that it effected nothing but the carrier that he wanted. I can control the energy of a car by pressing on the gas. If I'm outside of the car and try to manipulate the same force, i'd get steam rolled.

If anyone else could have stopped the power of the Godwave why didnt' they? As a matter of fact, Takion not only was pressing against the power, he opened up portals thru all of that the heroes could attack. They were ALL overwhelmed.

Surfer stopping every conflict on earth is nice. Shows no super powered beings. Certainly shows no elder Gods. Saying it's greater than Takion yanking high powered beings and an elder God is a bit, um, I don't know, strechty?

👆

Originally posted by fangirl101
I can control the energy of a car by pressing on the gas. If I'm outside of the car and try to manipulate the same force, i'd get steam rolled.
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