Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos Imperative, Cancerverse Death was killed by necropsy.
Originally posted by zopzop
Oh, that. I'm not sure what the issue is though? The Many Angled Ones only managed to kick Death out of a single universe and it came back when Thanos re-introduced it, the Beyonder erased the CONCEPT from the multiverse and no one could undo it.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BCwY8tKkxaI/VnoHwc1sjFI/AAAAAAAANZM/hZrdWjWoacs/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg
Nope, retconned as universal Death.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not kicked, actually killed Death.https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BCwY8tKkxaI/VnoHwc1sjFI/AAAAAAAANZM/hZrdWjWoacs/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg
Nope, retconned as universal Death.
"avatar of death, thus annihilated death itself" soo avatar of that universe's death? which means no more death there. how did that mean = no more multiversal death?
i mean if its just an avatar of that universe then theres probably a multiversal one over all of it right? like with DS? soo i dont see the counter argument.
Originally posted by ODG
Given this thread's Beyonder is supposed to remain static, the more precise question: have the Endless' station elevated in the past 14 years?
tbh, i have maybe an inkling of info about the endless, soo maybe somebody could add to this? because abhi's argument is moving towards recent incarnations of beyonder which is not the case for this thread?
Originally posted by 8swords
"avatar of death, thus annihilated death itself" soo avatar of that universe's death? which means no more death there. how did that mean = no more multiversal death?
They killed the Death of that universe.
"Death itself has been exterminated."
i mean if its just an avatar of that universe then theres probably a multiversal one over all of it right? like with DS? soo i dont see the counter argument.
Not really. There's no multiversal Death.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But Death is retconned to be universal only. So the feat is universal.
Death has the power to stop death everywhere in the DCU, she did it easily, and went along her way, she took up the job again like it was nothing, the Beyonder couldn't restart the concept at all. She would look at the Beyonder and tell him to go away, like she did with the Furies, he would be lucky to get her attention or Destiny's. It's not like he is on the level of The Presence's 3 sons.
Originally posted by kevdude
Death has the power to stop death everywhere in the DCU, she did it easily, and went along her way, she took up the job again like it was nothing, the Beyonder couldn't restart the concept at all. She would look at the Beyonder and tell him to go away, like she did with the Furies, he would be lucky to get her attention or Destiny's. It's not like he is on the level of The Presence's 3 sons.
Beyonder has wiped galaxies and created universes. His fight with Molecule Man was trans-multiversal in scale. This is all canon to him after the retcon. Lucifer needed Michael's power to create a universe/multiverse. Beyonder needed nothing but his own power.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but the endless are all multiversal constants.so how does the ability to destroy a universal concept translate to destroying a multiversal one?
Originally posted by zopzop
He wiped out the concept of Death at least on a universal scale AND he was the only being capable of getting it started again. That's all on panel.Beyonder has wiped galaxies and created universes. His fight with Molecule Man was trans-multiversal in scale. This is all canon to him after the retcon. Lucifer needed Michael's power to create a universe/multiverse. Beyonder needed nothing but his own power.
And yet Lucifer is still more powerful than Dream who did the same thing. He destroyed infinite universes/mulitiverses/creations in the Mansions of Silence just by being there, an indescribable act, plus a feat nobody else I have seen ever do. In the scheme of things, the Beyonder is below Lucifer and his brothers. He would also be below Death and Destiny as well.
Originally posted by zopzopi guess my point is that the ability to destroy a universal character doesn't mean he can wipe out a multiversal character. for obvious reasons.
Well on panel Beyonder did destroy it on a multiversal scale. I'm just agreeing with Abhi's reading of Thanos Imperative to further the discussion. If the concept of Death or any other concept is wiped out in the universe where the battle takes place, the person that wiped the concept wins no? We've already proven that Beyonder wiped out a concept on a universal scale (at a minimum) and no power except his own was able to undo it. Beyonder wins.
but i agree that in the original material, beyonder did erase death across the multiverse. though if marvel death has since been retconned, i dunno how that fits into this discussion
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i guess my point is that the ability to destroy a universal character doesn't mean he can wipe out a multiversal character. for obvious reasons.but i agree that in the original material, beyonder did erase death across the multiverse. though if marvel death has since been retconned, i dunno how that fits into this discussion
marvel has no multiversal death
so beyonder was at best erasing infinite universal death in the infinite universes
that is completely different from erasing a single multiversal/omniversal being overseeing across all creation
Originally posted by zopzop
Let's say we agree with this for a second, what does that mean? It means that Beyonder can AT LEAST wipe out a concept on a universal scale. He wins in any universe where he wipes out the Endless' concepts in. Beyonder wins.
