Originally posted by TricksterPriest
" The latest version of Henshaw (in Sinestro Corps.) had his body near completely destroyed by the detonation of War World. Surfer has planet busting level energy output."Very very bad analogy. Warworld was a galaxy-busting explosion. And he took shots from Guardians in that arc.
Galaxy busting?
Originally posted by Avlon
Don't remember, but the scans have been posted on these forums before (and I'm too lazy to look for them.) If you have any other battles between Glads and SS though, feel free to post them.I'd like to see them.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The only actual fight I've ever heard of between the two occurred in a Marvel Adventures comic and isn't canon. The only thing in 616 Marvel I can think of was when an alien absorbed Gladiator's power when he was also Captain Universe, and Surfer beat him pretty decisively.
I believe he overloaded the alien as a last ditch attempt. It didn't really have much to do with Gladiators powers at all.
The marvel adventures shows a possible scenario. It's by no means the most difinitive or anything, but SS certainly didn't show dominance in any way, shape, or form.
Originally posted by Avlon
I believe he overloaded the alien as a last ditch attempt. It didn't really have much to do with Gladiators powers at all.
Originally posted by Avlon
The marvel adventures shows a possible scenario. It's by no means the most difinitive or anything, but SS certainly didn't show dominance in any way, shape, or form.
Intesting. But IMO Surfer is older, wiser, more resourceful and has a wider rage of versatile abilities.
What forms of Power Conversion Does Henshaw currently have? Last I remember Henshaw could not absorb all forms of cosmic energy radiation to use at his will...such as Self Sustenance, or amping any of other his powers and abilities at will like Surfer can.
Surfer can convert elements, matter and can also create mechanical objects at Henshaws level pretty easily. He's a pretty massive Precog and along with his Cosmic awareness, I dont really see how Henshaw can stand to him... Maybe I'm missing something, but Surfer's overall abilities seem to dwarf Cyborg Superman's in both effectiveness and range.
Has Henshaw been recently upgraded or something?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah he overloaded him in the end, but only after the guy started trying to absorb Surfer's powers too. And the guy tried that because Surfer started to get the better of him h2h.
It was still an entirely different fight against a completely different type of character.
Originally posted by darthgoober
A possible scenario sure, but then again Hulk vs Superman showed a possible scenario also(one in which Hulk's strength approached PC Supes's in a relatively short time). Unless both Glads and Surfer both managed to rack up feats putting them on par with their mainstream counterparts you can't really base off their fight.
In every Hulk vs Superman scenario, Supes has tried to reason with an angry Hulk, and has basically pwned him when he got tired of doing so.
It wasn't a definitive example, but it's more than we've seen of them in 616.
Nevertheless, I stand by my original outcome.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Galaxy busting?
Originally posted by darthgooberHulk's strength may have rivaled PC Supes, as he was portrayed in that particular comic. As you know, PC Superman's strength level was like the sand dunes - always changing..
but then again Hulk vs Superman showed a possible scenario also(one in which Hulk's strength approached PC Supes's in a relatively short time).
imo, Hulk has never came close to the power PC Superman displayed [when written ridiculously].
Originally posted by nimbus006
If it was Loki, then the means of transformation might of been mystical in nature rather than matter manipulation, correct?
Loki only did it when powered by Surtur's sword, so it almost definitely was mystical more than anything else.
God that frog of thunder storyline was terrible.
Originally posted by AvlonIts a noncanon crossover and cant be used in these debates. You really think Eradictor's feats stand up and are comparable to Norrins?
There isn't anything in Surfer that isn't transmutable either. Nor is he immune to having his power cosmic stolen/weakened, or even completely neutralized by tech. It's similar to Surfers metallic glaze being susceptable to being taken over by Henshaw.We also have some intersting examples:
Surfer had trouble with Glads. (Who is a Marvel Superman)
Henshaw has whooped Eradicator. (Who is basically DC Surfer)
In their crossover, Henshaw pretty much laughed at the PC at surfers level.Henshaw has turned toys into something as complex as a kryptonian brain. That's high level transmutation right there. I haven't seen the source wall transmuted by anyone on any level. Usually just having contact with the wall means that you're taken out for the count. Manipulating to any ends is very impressive.
Surfer has been taken out by a sonic missle, a brick, cyanide, electromagnetic manipulation, tech, and blunt force.
Neither character is invincible. Both a VERY versatile. Both have tools to battle with that would make a great battle.
What does the source wall feat have to do with his battle against the surfer? i could talk about Surfer using the crunch to defeat T and A but again that has nothing to do with this battle just as your feat doesnt either.
Surfer has no weaknesses while Henshaw does. Thats the difference.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its a noncanon crossover and cant be used in these debates. You really think Eradictor's feats stand up and are comparable to Norrins?What does the source wall feat have to do with his battle against the surfer? i could talk about Surfer using the crunch to defeat T and A but again that has nothing to do with this battle just as your feat doesnt either.
Surfer has no weaknesses while Henshaw does. Thats the difference.
What does this have to do with the debate?
Sounds like silly nitpicking with a bit of fallacy thrown in for useless measure.
The one thing I will address is that yes...Eradicators feats compare to Surfers nicely in quality if not in quantity.
Originally posted by Avlon
What does this have to do with the debate?Sounds like silly nitpicking with a bit of fallacy thrown in for useless measure.
The one thing I will address is that yes...Eradicators feats compare to Surfers nicely in quality if not in quantity.
You wouldn't know a fallacy if it kicked you in the nuts. GTFO.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You wouldn't know a fallacy if it kicked you in the nuts. GTFO.
And here is a shining example(LOL) of a wonderful on topic post.
How about you stop wasting my time (and the forums) and stop being a moronic hater?
An angry village idiot..like we needed another one of those.
My opinion has been stated already on the topic on hand no need to reiterate it.
Originally posted by Avlon
And here is a shining example(LOL) of a wonderful on topic post.How about you stop wasting my time (and the forums) and stop being a moronic hater?
An angry village idiot..like we needed another one of those.
My opinion has been stated already on the topic on hand no need to reiterate it.
Whatever, just had to say it. Im done now. 😐
Originally posted by illadelph12
So it was the Warworld breach [b]combined with the Yellow Power Battery attached to it? That makes sense. My mistake, I thought it was simply Warworld that the GLs dropped on AM's domepiece. [/B]
The 1st time was by a 200x amped GL shot + Warworld.
The 2nd time was by the power battery + Warworld.
Both were powerful blasts.
