Originally posted by biensalsa
Fageddon was never the size of a solar systemIt dwarf the earth and moon system, which means that they look like dwarfs compared to Fageddon.
Something that will make the earth/moon system dwarf will be at LEAST NEPTUNE OR SATURN SIZE
Also lol at you copying my name for him and using it in your posts.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You don't seem to understand that I couldn't care less about how big Mageddon is.Picking and choosing scenes from comic pages, and using scaling to give an object a definitive size just to make Superman look impressive is idiotic either way you look at it.
If you stick to using that as evidence of it being as big as Jupiter, I'm going to use your own logic to argue that's it Earth sized at best.
I also couldn't care less what Morrison intended or what his hyperbole -that almost always ends up making villains anticlimactic- says.
I have to admit, You did bring a really good point, However after analyzing and re-reading the comic I realized something
Mageddon was created by Grant Morison and Howard Porter
The FIRST time they want to give you and Idea of the sheer size of mageddon they used this illustration
This is the first time in which the Writter AND CREATOR of Mageddon reffer about the size of it AND Porter being one of co-creators of Mageddon have the idea of it.
You said that you do not care too much about the writters intention, but if that is true, why are We even talking about WWH incarnation?
Maggedon is big, bigger than the earth and the moon together as in the intention of the writter something that will make this two celestial bodies dwarf, has to be between the size of Neptune, Saturn or Jupiter not bigger but also not smaller and Neptune will barelly qualify as capable of dwarf the earth and the moon.
Since I agree that scaling is dificult in comics.
I also agree that the first time that Porter and Morrison talk about size the used the Jupiter scaling
So it is safe to say that Mageddon range in size between Neptune and Jupiter, with Jupiter being the most likelly scaling, because the creators used that scale to represent it the first time they talk about the size of Mageddon
Originally posted by biensalsa
I don't see why you get upset about itMageddon was said to dwarf the earth and moon systems, It actually show it on panel. Several times.
It also said that is was bigger than Wonderworld and that it destroyed 3 moons in the initail attack.
I can see you point onto not using scale from comics because is not the best accurate system, but Here I am using both, Panel showing and intention of the writter, which in Sci Fi intention of the writter is > showing on the panel.
Is not that I just pick this up from a random place and said "mageddon is this size" It is based on two things:
Intention of the writter and showing on the panel
Plus I believe something called the ANTI-SUN will be much biger than barelly bigger than earth.
I'm not upset. I don't care enough to be upset. I just find it stupid to use the logic that you are to come to the conclusion that Mageddon is Jupiter sized.
You don't seem to understand that I'm not debating it's not bigger than Earth. I'm not. I'm just criticizing using the scaling presented in panels to measure it's size. Your even cropping art from different pages and sticking them together to prove your point.
I don't care that Morrison intended for it to dwarf the Earth.
Things in comics are almost never drawn to scale. Like I showed you, according to some panels Mageddon is at best the size of Earth. I didn't even put any effort into finding panels that disprove your reasoning.
"It must be HUMONGOUS because it was referred to as the Anti-Sun." There you go, more flawed reasoning.
I'm not actively trying to be an ass or mock you, but damn, you need some more concrete shit.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Methinks measuring the size of Mageddon portrayed by specific art panels will prove to be as fruitless as trying to measure the size of Unicron portrayed by specific shots of animation.Scale wasn't Howard Porter's strong suit.
This will be a great point if Porter and Morrison weren't the ones writting and drawing THEIR OWN CREATION.
According to the creators Mageddon DWARFS the earth/moon system
Pick any size you want but it has to be from Neptune to bigger
I'll stick to the Creators intention BIGGER THAN THE EARTH AND MOON TOGETHER
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not upset. I don't care enough to be upset. I just find it stupid to use the logic that you are to come to the conclusion that Mageddon is Jupiter sized.You don't seem to understand that I'm not debating it's not bigger than Earth. I'm not. I'm just criticizing using the scaling presented in panels to measure it's size. Your even cropping art from different pages and sticking them together to prove your point.
I don't care that Morrison intended for it to dwarf the Earth.
Things in comics are almost never drawn to scale. Like I showed you, according to some panels Mageddon is at best the size of Earth. I didn't even put any effort into finding panels that disprove your reasoning.
"It must be HUMONGOUS because it was referred to as the Anti-Sun." There you go, more flawed reasoning.
I'm not actively trying to be an ass or mock you, but damn, you need some more concrete shit.
Like I said before. I understand your point of view, but this thing has to be at least Neptune size or at the most Jupiter size. Not bigger not smaller.
Originally posted by biensalsa
I have to admit, You did bring a really good point, However after analyzing and re-reading the comic I realized somethingMageddon was created by Grant Morison and Howard Porter
The FIRST time they want to give you and Idea of the sheer size of mageddon they used this illustration
This is the first time in which the Writter AND CREATOR of Mageddon reffer about the size of it AND Porter being one of co-creators of Mageddon have the idea of it.
You said that you do not care too much about the writters intention, but if that is true, why are We even talking about WWH incarnation?
Maggedon is big, bigger than the earth and the moon together as in the intention of the writter something that will make this two celestial bodies dwarf, has to be between the size of Neptune, Saturn or Jupiter not bigger but also not smaller and Neptune will barelly qualify as capable of dwarf the earth and the moon.
Since I agree that scaling is dificult in comics.
I also agree that the first time that Porter and Morrison talk about size the used the Jupiter scaling
So it is safe to say that Mageddon range in size between Neptune and Jupiter, with Jupiter being the most likelly scaling, because the creators used that scale to represent it the first time they talk about the size of Mageddon
You know, I'm tempted to go re-read that arc because of you. Moving on....
In regards to a writer's intentions, it depends on the situation, discussion and the writer.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time we see Mageddon. You just posted a panel from halfway through the arc where Kyle encounters it and exclaims it's huge. I doubt that's the first instance that happened in this arc.
Those humanoids that we see beside Mageddon? That's Orion and co.
Using your scaling method, their what, the size of continents?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You know, I'm tempted to go re-read that arc because of you. Moving on....In regards to a writer's intentions, it depends on the situation, discussion and the writer.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time we see Mageddon. You just posted a panel from halfway through the arc where Kyle encounters it and exclaims it's huge. I doubt that's the first instance that happened in this arc.
Those humanoids that we see beside Mageddon? That's Orion and co.
Using your scaling method, their what, the size of continents?
Yes however in that first instance of Mageddon, the writter/creator does not make any comments abouts it's size.
It is but in that particular scan with GL in which the creator makes refference to the size of it, thus giving away his desire for the reader to understand the sheer size of it
Originally posted by biensalsaSo it's bigger than the Earth and Moon? K. I don't think anybody was seriusly arguing it was smaller than the Earth.
This will be a great point if Porter and Morrison weren't the ones writting and drawing THEIR OWN CREATION.According to the creators Mageddon DWARFS the earth/moon system
Pick any size you want but it has to be from Neptune to bigger
I'll stick to the Creators intention BIGGER THAN THE EARTH AND MOON TOGETHER