Earths cosmics vs 4th Host

Okay instead of old man Odin (and the useless Uni-mind) taking on the Celestial 4th host some of earths cosmics has learned of the impending judgement and have banned together to defend the world...

Molecule man

Korvac

Phoenix

lets assume they battle out of phase with earth so it's not destroyed.

At his most powerful I would say Molecule Man would win if he was in fact close to Beyonders power range

I think all that was dismissed by marvel somehow meaning that the "powers" allowed MM and Beyonder to go through all that stuff when in fact they were not the most powerful beings in the Omniverse but just a split cosmic cube...

Cosmic cubes are below Celestials, much less incomplete ones. The Celestials will win.

Agreed

Originally posted by King Kandy

Cosmic cubes are below Celestials, much less incomplete ones.

The Celestials will win.

Molecule Man separated from that merger,
and is far above Cube beings.

Beyonder remained a Cube being,
but his power has either increased as well, or it's been retconned. (upgraded)

Molecule Man is above Celestials.

Also,

Korvac killed and absorbed Arishem and the host with him, easily.

Celestials get erased from existence.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Molecule Man and Beyonder became a complete Cube being. (Kosmos)

Molecule Man separated from that merger,
and is far above Cube beings.

Beyonder remained a Cube being,
but his power has either increased as well, or it's been retconned. (upgraded)

Molecule Man is above Celestials.

Also,

Korvac killed and absorbed Arishem and the host with him, easily.

What If

Also Cap and Sharon Carter defeated Korvac, I believe

Celestials FTW

My opinion

Originally posted by King Kandy

Nah, Molecule Man isn't any stronger then a cube being...
their power levels are equal but it's MM's human element that makes him capable of greater feats.

His human element gives him unlimited potential, this is true,
but it's a potential that has already surpassed the power of Cube beings.

So in the end, he is in fact stronger.

Originally posted by King Kandy

On the other hand the Celestials are genuinely more powerful then MM
or a cube being.

What MM did during his battle with Beyonder is beyond a Celestial's power, save Scathan.

They warped reality within realities across the Omniverse.

Originally posted by King Kandy

As for Korvac erasing the host, wasn't that the What If?
Korvac and not the canon one?

If not,
meh, 616 Korvac was able to make subtle alterations across the 616 reality.

That means he was warping Time & Space.

Originally posted by guy222

Also Cap and Sharon Carter defeated Korvac, I believe

Korvac was the one that allowed himself to ddie,
because he thought his love had died.

Cap and the rest got owned lovely,
and weren't erased because that was never Korvac' intention.

Originally posted by Mr Master
MM is far more poweful than Cube beings,
do I have to pull out the scans of him stomping one?

His human element gives him unlimited potential, this is true,
but it's a potential that has already surpassed the power of Cube beings.

So in the end, he [b]is in fact stronger.[/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Really?

What MM did during his battle with Beyonder is beyond a Celestial's power, save Scathan.

They warped reality within realities across the Omniverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I thought that's who was playing ball here?

If not,
meh, 616 Korvac was able to make subtle alterations across the 616 reality.

That means he was warping Time & Space.

As for Phoenix I think she once destroyed Arishem's hand and he just regenerated right? Or is my memory flawed?

X Factor #50

Arishem allowed the world to judge itself

PR Owen takes this I believe.

Its prolly Post Retcon Reece

Molecule Man easily wins

Originally posted by King Kandy

No. Kubik said that their powers were equal,
but MM would win because of his human element. Stated on panel, they have equal amounts of raw power. MM has greater potential though since his humanity is independent of his powers and thus he is better with those powers.

Only because they acquired said powers from the same source.

But obviously their powers were not equal,
cause Beyonder got stomped, and nearly erased.

On top of that,
Molecule Man made it clear:

"My powers have expanded FAR beyond those of nebbish Owen you once defeated,
... Reece spent months thrusting back his limitations,
achieving potentials FAR, FAR greater than yours ...
and with my persona ascendant, that of the true Molecule Man,
I NOW transact on power levels unimaginable even to you"

.............................................................................

Proven with the on panel stomp!

Originally posted by King Kandy

Well apparently it's not above celestials since the power of cube beings is below that of a celestial.
This gives us a hint of just how powerful a Celestial is,
it's actually quite a good feat for them.

MM is no ordinary Cube being.

Originally posted by King Kandy

We assume all characters are their 616 versions unless otherwise stated, right? As for his alterations, it's a damn good feat but it isn't beyond the Celestials at all.

I also highly doubt, that Celestials can warp 616.

Korvac also had the power to conceal himself from Eternity,
even though he was withIN Eternity.

Could he defeat Eternity?

That's up for debate, not imo though.

Originally posted by King Kandy

As for Phoenix I think she once destroyed Arishem's hand and he just regenerated right? Or is my memory flawed?

Post-retcon Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the Phoenix Force.

Celestials > Cube beings.

Well this seems to be muddled... just where do Owen's powers come from if not from a cube (which is below celestials)?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Korvac killed and absorbed Arishem and the host with him, easily.

That was a What If. And only after Korvac had absorbed the combined power of Galactus's worldship (power "rivaling Galactus himself"😉, the In-Betweener, the Stranger, 3 Elders of the Universe, the High Evolutionary, the Shaper of Worlds, and the entire population of Earth.

Not that even that would have been enough to do that to the 4th host, if you ask me...

Molecule Man I believe it was, was defeated by Aron... Not sure which incarnation though...