Earths cosmics vs 4th Host

Originally posted by Utrigita
Molecule Man I believe it was, was defeated by Aron... Not sure which incarnation though...

That was towards the end of the first FF run I think just before Heroes Reborn.

Aron beat him relatively easily, but I don't know what MM was like at the time - I can't keep track of him.

I'm not sure...

Me neither, my point was that if that Molecule man was the same as the one that defeated Beyonder, got defeated by Aron a Watcher then the Celestials host problems should be minimum.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Well this seems to be muddled...
just where do Owen's powers come from if not from a cube
(which is below celestials)?

Cube beings are a limitation of a CCU.

I have on panel evidence
where one CCU is being used to give every dead hero and villain of an alternate reality,
their own Universe.

The Cube was shattered into tiny fragments then place on a platter,
heroes/villains were lined up, being fed to them like candy,
the instant the fragment was eaten,
immediately said hero/villain flew away into godhood,
ultimately each creating their own universe where all their dreams can be realized.

CCU > Eternity/Infinity

Eternity/Infinity > Celestials (with the exception of Scathan)

.............................................................................

As for Molecule Man, with his unlimited CCU potential (unlike Cube beings)
he has definitely surpassed whatever the level of Cube beings is,
but ... has he reached the level of a full scale CCU?

That, I do not know.

But the LT said Owen Reece (limited version)
is one of the most powerful beings in all creation,
how much more powerful his unlimited self is (Molecule Man)
is anyone's guess.

We at-least know it's a level where he can affect reality on a trans-Multiversal scale.

Which is beyond Multiversal. (all creation in fact)

Originally posted by Utrigita

if that Molecule man was the same as the one that defeated Beyonder,

got defeated by Aron a Watcher

That took place before the true Molecule Man was exposed.
(as in, before he defeated the Beyonder and warped reality across the Omniverse)

On top of that, there were stipulations involved, scans coming soon. 🙂

Originally posted by basilisk

That was a What If. And only after Korvac had absorbed the combined power of Galactus's worldship (power "rivaling Galactus himself"😉, the In-Betweener, the Stranger, 3 Elders of the Universe, the High Evolutionary, the Shaper of Worlds, and the entire population of Earth.

And Galactus' world Ship contains more energy than Galactus himself.

But, he didn't need to absorb all that to kill the Host of Celestials,
it just so happens to be the Celestials were amongst the last beings/entities he absorbed.

I mean Humanity and the Avengers were left for last too with Arishem and company:

He never wanted to hurt the Celestials,
because he realized they weren't interested in him
unless he interfered with their affairs:

Originally posted by basilisk

Not that even that would have been enough to do that to the 4th host,
if you ask me ...

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's inconsequential good friend.

That took place [b]before the true Molecule Man was exposed.
(as in, before he defeated the Beyonder and warped reality across the Omniverse)

On top of that, there were stipulations involved, scans coming soon. 🙂 [/B]

As mentioned I stated "if" 🙂 I couldn't quiet remember the date and the comic book.

Originally posted by Utrigita

As mentioned I stated "if" 🙂
I couldn't quiet remember the date and the comic book.

Btw. Owen was still limited in that issue, that was the stipulation.

I've never understood how organic molecules makes Owen can boost Owen so much,
same thing is Secret Wars I,
he struggled a bit with a mountain,
as soon as he learned he was able to control organic molecules,
he becomes the most powerful being in the Multiverse save Beyonder. dontgetit

The defeat itself was ridiculous,
Aron created a globe around Owen, within the globe was a void,
supposedly Owen didn't have any molecules to work with
and then he fainted from lack of air in the globe/void.

On top of that comedy, Owen was being manipulated by the Puppet Master. 😂

The Puppet Master, yes, that was not a typo ... again, ridiculous.

^man the whole dialogue in that arc was comical, to say the least: "I'm no wuss either"

the man can defy the fundamental laws of physics, and his vocabulary is as sophisticated as a kindergartener.

Poor Owen 😂

Hey T. Wats new

Originally posted by Tenebrous

^man the whole dialogue in that arc was comical, to say the least:

"I'm no wuss either"

the man can defy the fundamental laws of physics,
and his vocabulary is as sophisticated as a kindergartener.

Owen couldn't beat Aron, but Doom can one shot him. dur

Doomsy does it again, you gotta respect the man:

Meh,
I did like Sue Richards' hooker outfit:

You go girl.

Sue FTW