Darkseid vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you know the circumtances to which the Surfer engaged Dracula? I never read the Black Panther thing but it sounds like Firelord pis.

Drax was created specifically to kill Thanos and this was explained over and over. Thanos had his back turned. Context. Thanos was at his weakest then and was shocked that Warlock came back. Context.

Sgirl isnt canon but it happened off panel anyways. Context.

Darkseid's showings are the norm not just some low showings. he is a top tier. Supes beat him now Orion did. They just physically dominated him on panel. 🙂

Lulz at Thanos being transmuted because he was shocked.crylaugh.

Being killed by a weak ass Drax who was Thanos's silver bulllet, is worst than Darkseid being killed by a Orion.....which was prophecy of the f#cking Source....not only that, but it's been shown that Ds let Orion kill him...which is what always happens whenever Orion defeats him. 🙂

Lol, at the Squirrel Girl incident. The Watcher said himself that she defeated him. F#ck, it doesn't matter how she won, aslong as it was on her lonesome, it was a low showing none the less....to add insult to injury, he had a power up. 😆

Here's a list of Darkseid's feats.

He one shotted the powerful Earth angel
Killed H/p Doomsday with the Omega beams
Depowered Secret
Restored Mary Marvels Black Mary powers
Amped Granny Goodness to levels beyond an entire Greek pantheon
Embarassed Eclipso
One shotted Hank Henshaw
Provided 1/5 of the power needed to destroy a universe
Pwned the crap out Infinity man twice
Created Stayne
One shotted Lobo
One Shotted Agogg whom stomps on Orion and Lightray
Pwned the Legion of superheroes
Provided 1/2 the power needed to break through the source wall
One shotted Wonder Woman with a back hand
Amped Kalibak beyond Orion's strength levels
Created a Reality or Dimension of some kind(this was just an avatar)
One shotted Orion, Firestorm, and Mister Miracle
Powered Mantis who defeated pre-crisis Dr. Fate, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern
Is beyond Spectre's ability to kill
Powered a statue that had more power than Apokolips uses in a year(and Apokolips has planet busting weaponry)
Creates a construct on earth while stuck in another dimension
One shots pc Mordru
One shots pc Validus and powers him(who happens to be the strongest character ever made)
One shots a pc Controller
Mind raped 3 billion Kryptonians
One shotted pc Monel
One shotted pc Superboy and Supergirl
Hardens time around the powerful Godwave Ares.
Powers Brimstone
recreates the pc Parasite from a universe
Manipulates several beings through out the Dcu, via playing with chess pieces(he's done this twice btw)

Low showings.
Gets beaten By Superman
Gets Beaten by Superman in a pure slugfest
Is beaten by Orion(which wasn't even a low showing)
Gets beaten by a sun amped Supes(which isn't a low showing)
Gets a Batkick

See how many low showings he has compared to his highs? They don't even make up one third of his overall performance. To claim that he's weak based off a few measly bad showings, is utterly ridiculous on your behalf. 🙂 Every f#cking character made has low showings, some even that makes Ds at lowest, look like Superman written by Jeph Loeb. 😆

Originally posted by fangirl101
What ever he did with a wave of his hand would probably sufficient enough to take down most top tiers. Especially since he did it to Mr. Miracle, Firestorm and Orion. And he oculd probably just pull surfer's human host out of the pc shell.

Here's some Surfer durability..
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsuni1cz2.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=champ2gq5.jpg

Im thinking Orion <<<<<< Surfer..

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Jesus christ man........🤨, do you have any idea the high end reality manip required to be able to do that? I've never seen anyone split Firestorm like that, and people have tried.

There has been at least 2 instant Firestorm matrix been manipulated prior to the DS feat and one included a design nuclear bomb..

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well Darkseid could physically beat the shit out of SS...I'm too lazy to come up with a better way.

The OB as powerfull as it is, Surfer has been hit by energy beam as powerfull or even more so than that..

Null-wave
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssabsorbnulljp3.jpg
Surfer survived this wave.. i figure this is close to OE, the erasing from reality portion of it..

Originally posted by fangirl101
A hand wave pwns Surfer. Mind Rape. Depowering Surfer into a human being. He does it to Gods, why not a herald? OEing the surfer into nothing.

When was it mentioned that Orion was created to kill DS? Ive never come across this..

gotta go for now..

Originally posted by Ambient
Mr. Miracle and Firestorm <<<<<<< Surfer durability.. Orion on the other hand is high qne we've seen Orion survive anything DS throws at him.

Here's some Surfer durability..
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsuni1cz2.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=champ2gq5.jpg

Im thinking Orion <<<<<< Surfer..

Here Surfer shook off a Universal level reality manipulation...
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9021/ssfightsoffrealcntrljd2.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssreal1pz5.jpg

There has been at least 2 instant Firestorm matrix been manipulated prior to the DS feat and one included a design nuclear bomb..

Yet he cant beat the s@#$ out of Superman, Orion.. etc, etc..
lets not forget surfers speed and reflex..

The OB as powerfull as it is, Surfer has been hit by energy beam as powerfull or even more so than that..

Null-wave
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssabsorbnulljp3.jpg
Surfer survived this wave.. i figure this is close to OE, the erasing from reality portion of it..

Well he swayed the Goddess control of him, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darkseid... then there was the Moondragon feat.. I dont think DS could easily Mindrape Surfer..

When was it mentioned that Orion was created to kill DS? Ive never come across this..

gotta go for now..

At this whole thing. Moondragon sucks. She gets pwned more than The Rhino. She's the telepathic rhino.

The rest of the post was pretty much bias. No need to address. Just too much to cover.

Originally posted by fangirl101
At this whole thing. Moondragon sucks. She gets pwned more than The Rhino. She's the telepathic rhino.

The rest of the post was pretty much bias. No need to address. Just too much to cover.

Originally posted by fangirl101
At this whole thing. Moondragon sucks. She gets pwned more than The Rhino. She's the telepathic rhino.

The rest of the post was pretty much bias. No need to address. Just too much to cover.

I just want to make sure where in the right page here. Im referring to Moondragon who in Annihilation hold at bay telepathicly all Annihilus hords in the main flag ship, mind control a whole planet, the Avengers, battled all the totality of the Dragon of the Moon, TP read Korvac. All this feats was before gaining a soul gem..

Bias? eer

Originally posted by Ambient
😬

I just want to make sure where in the right page here. Im referring to Moondragon who in Annihilation hold at bay telepathicly all Annihilus hords in the main flag ship, mind control a whole planet, the Avengers, battled all the totality of the Dragon of the Moon, TP read Korvac. All this feats was before gaining a soul gem..

Bias? eer

Originally posted by Ambient

Bias? eer

I guess fangirl means those statements from you.

"Mr. Miracle and Firestorm <<<<<<< Surfer durability.. "

could be bias 🙂

"Im thinking Orion <<<<<< Surfer.. "

A lot of >>>>, smells like bias

"The OB as powerfull as it is, Surfer has been hit by energy beam as powerfull or even more so than that.."

Hm, not sure if you don't confuse OB with OE.

"i figure this is close to OE, the erasing from reality portion of it.."

😐

Well he swayed the Goddess control of him, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darkseid...

this definetly qualifies as bias 😉

Originally posted by Ambient
Yet he cant beat the s@#$ out of Superman, Orion.. etc, etc..
lets not forget surfers speed and reflex..

Originally posted by Juntai
I wouldn't go as far as fangirl did about it, but Moondragon has proven time and again that advanced minds are difficult at best for her... Strange has resisted her, Thor, Surfer, Thanos, Moondragon was defeated by a mindstorm in Avengers 138, couldn't read High Evolutionary's mind and was in fact shut out, just to name a few.

Originally posted by Juntai
[B][as such with Supergirl, as even mighty Despero has noted that Kryptonians have very difficult minds to attack because of how advanced they are], however it could be argued that it's a fairly rare ability for him to use it, though, he's used it several times.

If i remember correctly i think DS took control of Supergirl in Superman/Batman series.. So yeah...

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
"Im thinking Orion <<<<<< Surfer.. "

A lot of >>>>, smells like bias

I like >>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<< .. I all 😄

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Well he swayed the Goddess control of him, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darkseid...

this definetly qualifies as bias 😉

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And Superman and Orion are physically above Surfer so I don't see your point.

They might be above physical strength (Superman) but physical durability i dont think so... specially w/ PC to back it up..

http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilord2eb3.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsmardukto9.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsmarduk1ij4.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsmarduk2cr4.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsmarduk3hu0.jpg
to have not died after you've been reduced to atom and the first scan above shows his able too recorporate.. I think that is higher than Supes/Orion (durability/recuperative abiities)..

Originally posted by Ambient
This heroes mentioned above have, yes advance minds but more importantly have a very high psi resistance shown in there own respected series..

Yes i agree Kryptonian minds are hard to manipulate but there are others who have manipulated it. Not just DS.. In no way makes him without limits in TP department.

If i remember correctly i think DS took control of Supergirl in Superman/Batman series.. So yeah...

I mentioned the Supergirl bit in my post, as an example of Darkseid dominating an advanced mind. I'm not sure where you're going with a subsequent reference.

Given that Darkseid overpowered and defeated his GDS self, before he started crushing pantheons across the DCU, he's proven more powerful and thus capable of the same feats.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And Superman and Orion are physically above Surfer so I don't see your point.

no way they are durability wise

i wonder if the silver surfer is immune to darkseid's omega powers since he is a product of, and connected to galactus... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Juntai
I never claimed Darkseid's TP is limitless, only that's not shown the same limits or inhibited by advanced minds or powerful characters, such as Moondragon has consistantly shown to be.[w/ references above]

I mentioned the Supergirl bit in my post, as an example of Darkseid dominating an advanced mind. I'm not sure where you're going with a subsequent reference.

Well i dont think its the advance mind per say but rather the mental defenses that befalls her.. As for your example. Surfer, Thor, Strange, Thanos, High Evo all possess great mental defenses and training to combat such manipulation..

Say give example of DS controlling someone of say high mental defenses and advance mind..

Originally posted by Ambient
Mr. Miracle and Firestorm <<<<<<< Surfer durability.. Orion on the other hand is high qne we've seen Orion survive anything DS throws at him.

Here's some Surfer durability..
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-033.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2-035.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsuni1cz2.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=champ2gq5.jpg

Im thinking Orion <<<<<< Surfer..

Here Surfer shook off a Universal level reality manipulation...
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9021/ssfightsoffrealcntrljd2.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssreal1pz5.jpg

There has been at least 2 instant Firestorm matrix been manipulated prior to the DS feat and one included a design nuclear bomb..

Yet he cant beat the s@#$ out of Superman, Orion.. etc, etc..
lets not forget surfers speed and reflex..

The OB as powerfull as it is, Surfer has been hit by energy beam as powerfull or even more so than that..

Null-wave
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssabsorbnulljp3.jpg
Surfer survived this wave.. i figure this is close to OE, the erasing from reality portion of it..

Well he swayed the Goddess control of him, she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darkseid... then there was the Moondragon feat.. I dont think DS could easily Mindrape Surfer..

When was it mentioned that Orion was created to kill DS? Ive never come across this..

gotta go for now..

"Mr. Miracle and Firestorm <<<<<<< Surfer durability.. Orion on the other hand is high qne we've seen Orion survive anything DS throws at him."

You're low-balling Firestorm. Surfer would have a hell of a time beating and could possibly lose a majority, depending on how the fight goes.

"
Yet he cant beat the s@#$ out of Superman, Orion.. etc, etc..
lets not forget surfers speed and reflex.."

Superman would murder Surfer in a fistfight........😐 Surfer has never displayed the close combat speed of either of those 2. Travel speed, yes, but not the precision combat speed. Let's not even pretend Surfer has a chance in a fistfight, anybody who can lay out Superman will wreck Surfer.

"The OB as powerfull as it is, Surfer has been hit by energy beam as powerfull or even more so than that.."

The OB killed H/P Doomsday briefly. Nuff said.

Null wave? Stop wasting my time. That shit is not comparable to the OE. the OE has hurt Spectre, helped break Imperiex Prime's armor, helped bring down AM, and pwned trans levelers like Infinity Man and Validus. Not to mention it's a power direct from The Source.

Goddess, was frankly, not nearly as impressive as she claimed to be. and dude, that's 30 cosmic cubes, not her own power. Darkseid does 90-95% of this shit under his own power.

"
When was it mentioned that Orion was created to kill DS? Ive never come across this.."

Prophecy of the Source. It's basically ordained by god.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Your excuses suck harder than a Vietnamese prostitute. 🙂

Lulz at Thanos being transmuted because he was shocked.crylaugh.

Being killed by a weak ass Drax who was Thanos's silver bulllet, is worst than Darkseid being killed by a Orion.....which was prophecy of the f#cking Source....not only that, but it's been shown that Ds let Orion kill him...which is what always happens whenever Orion defeats him. 🙂

Lol, at the Squirrel Girl incident. The Watcher said himself that she defeated him. F#ck, it doesn't matter how she won, aslong as it was on her lonesome, it was a low showing none the less....to add insult to injury, he had a power up. 😆

Here's a list of Darkseid's feats.

He one shotted the powerful Earth angel
Killed H/p Doomsday with the Omega beams
Depowered Secret
Restored Mary Marvels Black Mary powers
Amped Granny Goodness to levels beyond an entire Greek pantheon
Embarassed Eclipso
One shotted Hank Henshaw
Provided 1/5 of the power needed to destroy a universe
Pwned the crap out Infinity man twice
Created Stayne
One shotted Lobo
One Shotted Agogg whom stomps on Orion and Lightray
Pwned the Legion of superheroes
Provided 1/2 the power needed to break through the source wall
One shotted Wonder Woman with a back hand
Amped Kalibak beyond Orion's strength levels
Created a Reality or Dimension of some kind(this was just an avatar)
One shotted Orion, Firestorm, and Mister Miracle
Powered Mantis who defeated pre-crisis Dr. Fate, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern
Is beyond Spectre's ability to kill
Powered a statue that had more power than Apokolips uses in a year(and Apokolips has planet busting weaponry)
Creates a construct on earth while stuck in another dimension
One shots pc Mordru
One shots pc Validus and powers him(who happens to be the strongest character ever made)
One shots a pc Controller
Mind raped 3 billion Kryptonians
One shotted pc Monel
One shotted pc Superboy and Supergirl
Hardens time around the powerful Godwave Ares.
Powers Brimstone
recreates the pc Parasite from a universe
Manipulates several beings through out the Dcu, via playing with chess pieces(he's done this twice btw)

Low showings.
Gets beaten By Superman
Gets Beaten by Superman in a pure slugfest
Is beaten by Orion(which wasn't even a low showing)
Gets beaten by a sun amped Supes(which isn't a low showing)
Gets a Batkick

See how many low showings he has compared to his highs? They don't even make up one third of his overall performance. To claim that he's weak based off a few measly bad showings, is utterly ridiculous on your behalf. 🙂 Every f#cking character made has low showings, some even that makes Ds at lowest, look like Superman written by Jeph Loeb. 😆

Ds already let Orion killed him. The prophecy was fulfilled. So you cant use that excuse unless the prpohecy was that Orion kills Darkseid twice. 🙂

Drax was given special anti Thanos powers while Orion didnt have special abilities vs Darkseid. His powers never were altered specifically to take Darkseid out. They were in a fair fight as well. Drax killed Thanos while his back was turned. Ds looked bad while Thanos didnt. Huge difference in the manner in which these characters died.

When has it been shown that Ds let Orion kill him? Scan? I havent read final crisis 2 and if its maybe its there but if it isnt you are speculating.

Sgirl is undefeated and when something happens off panel we dont the context of the battle. Dont you get that? Plus its been shown by the very same writer. that wrote sgirl and she hulk that clones can fool anyone. Never happened to the real Thanos and has never been referenced since.

Ds never killed Doomsday with his omega beams. He was buried underneath rubble which makes sense as he has never resurrected immediately after death.

Yeah he found Mary Marvels powers and gave them back to her. He didnt create them. Context. He needed her to carry out his plans. He still failed.

😂

Scans to show Granny Goodness beating the entire greek pantheon? She didnt look to powerful in countdown.

1/5 of power to defeat the ale. What a shared feat that is.

Did he oneshot Lobo in this universe or was it an alternate reality?

When did he pwn the legion of superheroes? If its gds its not canon to current Ds.

Eclipso was created by Ds so him beating someone he helped create isnt that big of a deal at all.

Id like to see the WW scan.

You are naming a fre precrisis feats but he obviously isnt that powerful anymore and was depowered by the writers along with everyone else.

When he oneshotted those three are you sure he wasnt using the ale or something?

Spectre can kill him but the Source brings him back. Darkseid cant take oneshot. This cant protect him in forum battles. Plus it has to do with the Source not with Darkseid's own abilities.

I keep hearing gds feats which arent canon to current Seid.

He knew which time to act to freeze Ares. Thats it. Ares beat him to the godwave and the rest of them all stopped him together. Context.

In countdown he manipulated a lot of beings but in the end he died and couldnt get his hands on the power of the new gods. He failed in the end bigtime.

You mixed in precrisis and gds feats which obviously arent what classic Seid was at during the time before his death at the hands of Orion.

Losses-Apokolips now
Hunter and Prey
Raker dominating him
Countdown 3
Countdown 2
Superman/Batman when he fled from Superman
Superman/Batman source wall

All were out in the past ten years. Darkseid at classic levels was a top tier.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You're low-balling Firestorm.

Surfer has never displayed the close combat speed of either of those 2. Travel speed, yes, but not the precision combat speed. Let's not even pretend Surfer has a chance in a fistfight, anybody who can lay out Superman will wreck Surfer.

Surfer assesses the situation before he fight, he is smart enough not to go toe to toe when he sees DS.. Besides he seldom go h2h..

Null wave? Stop wasting my time. That shit is not comparable to the OE. the OE has hurt Spectre, helped break Imperiex Prime's armor, helped bring down AM, and pwned trans levelers like Infinity Man and Validus. Not to mention it's a power direct from The Source.

More like it tickled spectre...lol
Dont get me wrong it is powerfull but Surfer has also been hit by energy projection of that magnitude.. case in point..
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elder3zj1.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilord3vk4.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsmarduk1ij4.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unilord2eb3.jpg
All this from skyfather level beings.. I think.lol

Goddess, was frankly, not nearly as impressive as she claimed to be. and dude, that's 30 cosmic cubes, not her own power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Wouldnt you be shocked if the very character you killed came back in ghost form to kill you? Anyways it was Thanos at his weakest so its irrelevant to say the least.

See how easy it is to make a cop out argument

Ds already let Orion killed him. The prophecy was fulfilled. So you cant use that excuse unless the prpohecy was that Orion kills Darkseid twice. 🙂

Drax was given special anti Thanos powers while Orion didnt have special abilities vs Darkseid. His powers never were altered specifically to take Darkseid out. They were in a fair fight as well. Drax killed Thanos while his back was turned. Ds looked bad while Thanos didnt. Huge difference in the manner in which these characters died.

[quote]When has it been shown that Ds let Orion kill him? Scan? I havent read final crisis 2 and if its maybe its there but if it isnt you are speculating.

Sgirl is undefeated and when something happens off panel we dont the context of the battle. Dont you get that? Plus its been shown by the very same writer. that wrote sgirl and she hulk that clones can fool anyone. Never happened to the real Thanos and has never been referenced since.

Ds never killed Doomsday with his omega beams. He was buried underneath rubble which makes sense as he has never resurrected immediately after death.

Yeah he found Mary Marvels powers and gave them back to her. He didnt create them. Context. He needed her to carry out his plans. He still failed.

😂

Scans to show Granny Goodness beating the entire greek pantheon? She didnt look to powerful in countdown.

1/5 of power to defeat the ale. What a shared feat that is.

Did he oneshot Lobo in this universe or was it an alternate reality?

When did he pwn the legion of superheroes? If its gds its not canon to current Ds.

Eclipso was created by Ds so him beating someone he helped create isnt that big of a deal at all.

Id like to see the WW scan.

You are naming a fre precrisis feats but he obviously isnt that powerful anymore and was depowered by the writers along with everyone else.

When he oneshotted those three are u you sure he wasnt using the ale or something?

Spectre can kill him but the Source brings him back. Darkseid cant take oneshot. This cant protect him in forum battles. Plus it has to do with the Source not with Darkseid's own abilities.

I keep hearing gds feats which arent canon to current Seid.

He knew which time to act to freeze Ares. Thats it. Ares beat him to the godwave and the rest of them all stopped him together. Context.

In countdown he manipulated a lot of beings but in the end he died and couldnt get his hands on the power of the new gods. He failed in the end bigtime.

You mixed in precrisis and gds feats which obviously arent what classic Seid was at during the time before his death at the hands of Orion.

Losses-Apokolips now

Hunter and Prey

Raker dominating him

Superman/Batman when he fled from Superman

Superman/Batman source wall

All were out in the past ten years. Darkseid at classic levels was a top tier.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Lulz, Darkseid was shocked when Doomsday attacked him from behind.

See how easy it is to make a cop out argument

Idiot, Darkseid is already alive again. 🙂 And seeing how the f#cking Source prophecized his defeat since day one, that showing was no different then the Drax incedent....Orion was born to defeat Ds, yet he has struggled with beings that Darkseid can one shot...put 2 and 2 together and figure it out for yourself.

It is believed that Ds allowed himself to be killed in order to be reborn......I don't have a scan of it, but seeing how Darkseid is alive again after meeting his supposed fate, it should tell you that something is wrong.

Sg has only fought Dr. Doom, Deadpool, Modok and some other chump...Thanos was the only cosmic being to get his ass beaten by her....and prove that it was off panel.

Typical, more reaching.....H/p Dd could evolve rapidly....and the confidenetial bio proves that Dd was killed by Ds.

Another stupid excuse, from Mr. Thanosisgod....he gave them back, via restoring them with a fragment of her energy. 🙂

😂

Go to the goddamn Darkseid respect thread and find out for yourself....you keep asking for scans of his feats, yet you try to demean him without knowing of his showings....

And it destroyed the universe they were in it...also, Darkseid was the most powerful being that gave power, out of anyone else he shared the feat with.....1/5 of a universe is millions of galaxies btw.

Your playing dumb....this feat has been brought up countless times and you've even acknowledged it before. And yes it happened in the normal universe....by asking questions like that, it tells me your trying hard to make an excuse, in order to evade the main point.

Both Gds and Foundations....I don't say some dumb shit like, "Ds looked like a fool in foundations". He had all of them beaten, until they had to go back in time stop them....plus the older weaker Ds, easily imprisoned them. 🙂

Didn't you try to downplay the creation feat, because he only mined the diamond containing her? If so, your being a hypocrite.....Do you even know how powerful Eclipso is? 🙄

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA14pg13.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA14pg14.jpg

Says the guy whose known to disregard evidance in favor of wanking his favorite his characters...and pc stuff is canon again.

Stop playing dumb, you know he had no power ups. 😆

So...the fact that the Spectre can't kill says alot about his power and presence
Here we go with this retarded shit again. 🙄

Actually, what Ds did was adapt to the situation, and he still pulled through in the end.
Failed? Darkseid wanted Orion to kill him....he's done this twice in the past....allow himself to be killed in order to achieve a certain goal....Plus, Darkseid is already back.

Lulz, ignore as much shit as you want, be asinine.....but rather you like it or not, Darkseid has rarely been shown to operate at full power....Yeah you, can use his pitiful low showings to dispute this ideal....but they don't come close to topping his higher showings. 🙂

Bullshit showing that contradicts other showings.
Doomsday, given the oppurtunity could wreck damn near anyone....
He wasn't trying to kill Raker....
He got what he wanted and it would've been idiotic of him, to stay and fight Superman.
Sun amp Superman would did that....and he survived entropy blast..
Based off what? Biased claims and poorly concieved interpretations?

I know Darkseid is alive again. BUT YOU ARE CLAIMING HE LET ORION BEAT HIM WHEN THEIR SIMPLY IS NO PROOF TO THAT WHATSOEVER. YOU ARE SPECULATING. BASELESS CLAIM AND MERE GUESSWORK.

The prophecy was his son would kill him did it ever state Orion or did it say a son would kill him? Orion already killed darkseid anyways so even if it stated it was Orion it was already accomplished. It seems I knew more about these new gods than yourself.

In arguments if you want to prove something bring a scan. I dont say visit the respect thread its laziness to the utmost on your part. If you want to prove something prove it.

The fifth world is here friend and it seems many of the new gods will be back. We have already seen Metron. So dont make up things in order to benefit Ds. Metron is alive as well. Quit speculating.

I dont have to prove it to you. I am not scanning this offpanel loss which isnt canon. It didnt happen on panel. Clearly you have no clue about what actually happened and are going on what you hear on this forum.

No it doesnt prove anything at all. It proves he came back and after each death it touched on what he accomplished each event.
Quit speculating and find me another time when Doomsday resurrected immediately. As you said put two and two together friend.

1/5 of power means he contributed 1/5 of the power. Shared feat nothing more. His omega's cant even take out Doomsday yet you think they can take out galaxies,prove it.

I believe the Lobo feat was an alternate reality. Ill ask km though and find out for sure. I bet you didnt read it either. People usually list alternate reality feats for Ds I am used to it.

In foundations Darkseid beat an older weaker version of himself who was killed by one shot of Orions gun. Ds had losh on his side and then used the older gds allies to keep them at bay. He never did anything on his own. You do know older gds Darkseid pulled out all kinds of characters and used them as his own personal guard so to speak. He was never alone. Please read foundations as you are getting the context of what happened wrong.

Ds was trying to defeat Raker. Where do you get he wasnt. Explain yourself this just makes it apparent that you didnt read it at all.

Again in countdown Ds gave mary marvel her power back that she abandoned. Thats it.

Ds had an advantage over Eclipso thats it. Thats the only reason he beat her the way he did.

In the Firestorm series he was and had partial possession of the ale. He had it for some time and I believe he used it in this story.

The Spectre not being able to kill him says a lot not about his power but about the role that he has to play according to the Source. Again he was oneshotted and Captain Marvel has survived more from a more powerful Spectre in dov.

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Again precrisis stuff is canon but it isnt an actual representation of Darkseid's power at classic levels. Unless you think Superman nowadays is more powerful than when he was at pcrisis levels.

Darkseid adapted to the situation yes but he needed the help of others to defeat Ares who was in a position that Darkseid himself wanted to be in. Shared feat my friend.

Sunamped Superman never survived entropy blasts. Sundipped Superman did. There is a huge difference. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid clearly made an error in judgment. He assume he killed Doomsday which he clearly did not. Thanos killed Warlock. See he succeeded where Darkseid failed. Nothing new here so he was shocked to see his ghost there to stop him. Irrelevant as Thanos was at his weakest then and has been upgraded bigtime since then.

I know Darkseid is alive again. BUT YOU ARE CLAIMING HE LET ORION BEAT HIM WHEN THEIR SIMPLY IS NO PROOF TO THAT WHATSOEVER. YOU ARE SPECULATING. BASELESS CLAIM AND MERE GUESSWORK.

Wow, typing in caps really brings out the tard in you. 🙂

The prophecy was his son would kill him did it ever state Orion or did it say a son would kill him? Orion already killed darkseid anyways so even if it stated it was Orion it was already accomplished. It seems I knew more about these new gods than yourself.

In arguments if you want to prove something bring a scan. I dont say visit the respect thread its laziness to the utmost on your part. If you want to prove something prove it.

dont have to prove it to you. I am not scanning this offpanel loss which isnt canon. It didnt happen on panel. Clearly you have no clue about what actually happened and are going on what you hear on this forum.

The fifth world is here friend and it seems many of the new gods will be back. We have already seen Metron. So dont make up things in order to benefit Ds. Metron is alive as well. Quit speculating.

I dont have to prove it to you. I am not scanning this offpanel loss which isnt canon. It didnt happen on panel. Clearly you have no clue about what actually happened and are going on what you hear on this forum.

In arguments if you want to prove something bring a scan. I dont say visit the respect thread its laziness to the utmost on your part. If you want to prove something prove it

No it doesnt prove anything at all. It proves he came back and after each death it touched on what he accomplished each event.
Quit speculating and find me another time when Doomsday resurrected immediately. As you said put two and two together friend.

Plus the confedential bio helps support my ideal, rather than yours. 🙂

1/5 of power means he contributed 1/5 of the power. Shared feat nothing more. His omega's cant even take out Doomsday yet you think they can take out galaxies,prove it.

I believe the Lobo feat was an alternate reality. Ill ask km though and find out for sure. I bet you didnt read it either. People usually list alternate reality feats for Ds I am used to it.

In foundations Darkseid beat an older weaker version of himself who was killed by one shot of Orions gun. Ds had losh on his side and then used the older gds allies to keep them at bay. He never did anything on his own. You do know older gds Darkseid pulled out all kinds of characters and used them as his own personal guard so to speak. He was never alone. Please read foundations as you are getting the context of what happened wrong.

Ds was trying to defeat Raker. Where do you get he wasnt. Explain yourself this just makes it apparent that you didnt read it at all.

Again in countdown Ds gave mary marvel her power back that she abandoned. Thats it.

Unless you can prove that Darkseid some how found her Bm powers from else where, I'm going to go with the more logical explanation that he recreated her power source. 🙂

Ds had an advantage over Eclipso thats it. Thats the only reason he beat her the way he did.