Magneto vs WWHulk

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Magneto can simply redirect all the metal in the vicinity to engulf the Hulk. Hulk can thrash and clap all he wants, in the end he will end up with metal shards embedded in his skin, his healing factor will seal them in. He'll be too busy trying to fend off the random crap being thrown at him to pull the shit that's already inside him out. Eventually there will be enough metal in his body for Magneto to simply lift him into the air, still bombarding him with metal. If Hulk tries to rip the metal out, he gets wrapped up/impaled with more metal, if he tries to fend it off, he still gets ends up with more metal inside of him. Once Hulk is in the air, he's completely at Mag's mercy.

Magneto can proceed to toss his ass into space, the sun, whatever.

WWH can generate energy he can use that to resist Magnetos powers.

Generating energy will do nothing again Magneto. Magneto is not exerting his power on Hulk, he's exerting it on the metal inside of hulk. Your argument is moot.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Generating energy will do nothing again Magneto. Magneto is not exerting his power on Hulk, he's exerting it on the metal inside of hulk. Your argument is moot.

Er no the energy hes generating can disrupt that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er no the energy hes generating can disrupt that.

Originally posted by Starscream M
how does Hulk function with adamantium shards lodged inside his brain?

Um Healing factor?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Um Healing factor?

Originally posted by Starscream M
um....Mags can literally bond adamantium shards onto the inside of his skull, so that his brain cannot reform

Well for starters wheres he getting this adamantuim from? Im pretty sure hes healed from damage like that. He was being shot at by adamantuim bullets in WWH.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er no the energy hes generating can disrupt that.

Explain how, otherwise your argument is complete speculation, and therefore moot.

Second scenario;

Magneto makes a latticework of metal, swats Hulk with it. Hulk is thrown off the ground, Magneto continues to knock him around, similar to bouncing a tennis ball with a racket.

What can Hulk do? Grab the metal? Makes Magneto's life easier.
Smash the metal? Magneto can come at him from multiple directions at the same time, easily. Hulk only has 5 limbs.
Clap? Magneto can move and assault

Hulk simply has no way of getting to Magneto without leaving himself open. If Hulk defends, he's not being offensive and thus Magneto has no worries except how many ways he wants to approach the fight at once.

Hulk.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Explain how, otherwise your argument is complete speculation, and therefore moot.

Second scenario;

Magneto makes a latticework of metal, swats Hulk with it. Hulk is thrown off the ground, Magneto continues to knock him around, similar to bouncing a tennis ball with a racket.

Are you serious? Is that it. WWH Hulk is so resistant Mags would eventually get tired doing that.

Originally posted by Nataku8188

What can Hulk do? Grab the metal? Makes Magneto's life easier.
Smash the metal? Magneto can come at him from multiple directions at the same time, easily. Hulk only has 5 limbs.
Clap? Magneto can move and assault.

LOL a weaker version of the Hulk has survived force that is capable of putting a planet into orbit and you're telling me that just because Mags can control metal its a big deal.

You are also assuming that Mags is going to get out of the way of the blast. A thunderclap goes over a wide area, he used it to destory forests.

Originally posted by Nataku8188

Hulk simply has no way of getting to Magneto without leaving himself open. If Hulk defends, he's not being offensive and thus Magneto has no worries except how many ways he wants to approach the fight at once.

LOL even if he leavs himself wide open its not going to do anything to him. Do you even know how durable Hulk is? WWH is capable of generating energy and using thudnerclaps and Mags will eventually get tired of using his powers to defend himself.

I have a feeling you're not going to listen to any of this.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Are you serious? Is that it. WWH Hulk is so resistant Mags would eventually get tired doing that.

LOL a weaker version of the Hulk has survived force that is capable of putting a planet into orbit and you're telling me that just because Mags can control metal its a big deal.

You are also assuming that Mags is going to get out of the way of the blast. A thunderclap goes over a wide area, he used it to destory forests.

LOL even if he leavs himself wide open its not going to do anything to him. Do you even know how durable Hulk is? WWH is capable of generating energy and using thudnerclaps and Mags will eventually get tired of using his powers to defend himself.

I have a feeling you're not going to listen to any of this.

Resistant? To what? His resilience doesn't matter. Magneto is strong enough to put Asteroid M into orbit. He liquified and pulled adamantium out of Wolverine's pores. No matter what Hulk does, Magneto can easily insert metal into his body.

What does Hulk weigh? Maybe a ton or two? Why the hell wouldn't Magneto be able to throw him around? If you know anything about physics, strength means nothing when you're in the air, the only thing he has to push off is air itself. He's got to rely on paddling air to move. Not too effective.

Oh no, a forest. You must be high. Magneto can make his field tear-drop shaped, the force hits the point, is split, and redirected with ease. Once again, physics.

I know exactly how durable Hulk is. I know he held his innards in and he healed over his own hand before he was even WWH. Doesn't matter. The amount of force Magneto can exert is beyond what you seem capable of comprehension. Slivers of metal by the thousands, plates of sheet metal just pressed against his skin before being broken down and forced into his pores, so many options are available.

You act like this is exhausting for Magneto. This won't take more than 5 minutes, I'm quite confident he won't be exhausted before then.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Resistant? To what? His resilience doesn't matter. Magneto is strong enough to put Asteroid M into orbit. He liquified and pulled adamantium out of Wolverine's pores. No matter what Hulk does, Magneto can easily insert metal into his body.

What does Hulk weigh? Maybe a ton or two? Why the hell wouldn't Magneto be able to throw him around? If you know anything about physics, strength means nothing when you're in the air, the only thing he has to push off is air itself. He's got to rely on paddling air to move. Not too effective.

Oh no, a forest. You must be high. Magneto can make his field tear-drop shaped, the force hits the point, is split, and redirected with ease. Once again, physics.

I know exactly how durable Hulk is. I know he held his innards in and he healed over his own hand before he was even WWH. Doesn't matter. The amount of force Magneto can exert is beyond what you seem capable of comprehension. Slivers of metal by the thousands, plates of sheet metal just pressed against his skin before being broken down and forced into his pores, so many options are available.

You act like this is exhausting for Magneto. This won't take more than 5 minutes, I'm quite confident he won't be exhausted before then.

Ok what part of resisted force powerful enough to put a planet into orbit dont you understand? That was a weaker Hulk. Hell a weaker easily destroyed an asteroids twice the size of earth. Im pretty sure that WWH Hulks healing factor is strong enough to deal with anything that Magneto comes up with. Hell WWH had adamantuim shards explode in his head and body and was up in moments and im pretty sure Magneto cant create adamanuim out of nothing....or maybe he can....I dunno.

Earth>>>>>> Asteroid M

Yes im pretty sure he can put up forcefield but my point is he cant keep resisting it forever.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok what part of resisted force powerful enough to put a planet into orbit dont you understand? That was a weaker Hulk. Hell a weaker easily destroyed an asteroids twice the size of earth. Im pretty sure that WWH Hulks healing factor is strong enough to deal with anything that Magneto comes up with. Hell WWH had adamantuim shards explode in his head and body and was up in moments and im pretty sure Magneto cant create adamanuim out of nothing....or maybe he can....I dunno.

Earth>>>>>> Asteroid M

Yes im pretty sure he can put up forcefield but my point is he cant keep resisting it forever.

Are you stupid? You obviously have no concept of physics, nor the points I'm trying to make.

I'll break it down;
1) The metal is going into his body, not to damage him, his body will heal right over it. That means if Hulk wants it out, he's going to have to waste time digging into himself to pull it back out.
2) Once the metal is inside his body, no longer does Hulk's strength, durability, whatever, have no bearing at this point. If you knew anything about physics, you'd understand that Hulk can no longer exert his force against the force lifting him. The force that is lifting him is INSIDE of him. At this point, his resilience and healing factor work against him, because the metal is not going anywhere, he's effectively sealed it inside of himself unless he wants to rip into himself to get it out.
3) Magneto lifts the metal. Hulk is lifted with the metal. Hulk is now at Magneto's mercy.

Game over.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Are you stupid? You obviously have no concept of physics, nor the points I'm trying to make.

I'll break it down;
1) The metal is going into his body, not to damage him, his body will heal right over it. That means if Hulk wants it out, he's going to have to waste time digging into himself to pull it back out.
2) Once the metal is inside his body, no longer does Hulk's strength, durability, whatever, have no bearing at this point. If you knew anything about physics, you'd understand that Hulk can no longer exert his force against the force lifting him. The force that is lifting him is INSIDE of him. At this point, his resilience and healing factor work against him, because the metal is not going anywhere, he's effectively sealed it inside of himself unless he wants to rip into himself to get it out.
3) Magneto lifts the metal. Hulk is lifted with the metal. Hulk is now at Magneto's mercy.

Game over.

He doesnt have to dig inside to get it, his body most likely will expel it. First of all if Hulk got pissed off enough his body could become so strong that the metal won't even get inside his body. Even if it does its not just that Hulk has resisted forces far greater than Magento his body adapts to different attacks for example:

His body has grown lungs
Hes resisted being turned to stone
Hes resisted being shrunk
Hes resisted being phased.
Etc

Hes not just brick but his body adapts to different attacks and this has been shown through his history.

Also since gamma radiation is part of the electromagnetic spectrum and WWh has literailly emitted this in energy form this will disrupt Magnetos magnetic powers. psionic energy has been desrcibed as being electromagnetic in nature and magneto ahs used his powers to disrupt psionic powers, so it not a stretch that gamma radiation could disrupt electomagnetic energy.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He doesnt have to dig inside to get it, his body most likely will expel it. First of all if Hulk got pissed off enough his body could become so strong that the metal won't even get inside his body. Even if it does its not just that Hulk has resisted forces far greater than Magento his body adapts to different attacks for example:

His body has grown lungs
Hes resisted being turned to stone
Hes resisted being shrunk
Hes resisted being phased.
Etc

Hes not just brick but his body adapts to different attacks and this has been shown through his history.

Also since gamma radiation is part of the electromagnetic spectrum and WWh has literailly emitted this in energy form this will disrupt Magnetos magnetic powers.

Hulk's body healed over his hand. It won't expel anything.

It only takes a miniscule amount of metal forced into his body to matter. Look at it like this. You take a stick of butter and a toothpick. Put the stick of butter ontop of the top of the toothpick. It won't impale itself. You apply any force besides the weight of the butter, it goes inside. Same concept. Magneto gets it inside of him, through his pores, through penetration, doesn't matter. He gets it inside. He lifts the METAL. Hulks body is so tough that the force required to lift his weight isn't enough to cause the metal to go through his body.

His own durability screws him.

You keep saying "Resistance, resistance, resistance" Resistance means nothing in this scenario. Magneto isn't doing anything to the Hulk except putting metal, an almost insignifigant amount at that, inside of him. Hulk is going to be so busy swatting poles, pipes, cars, etc. that he won't have time to acknowledge the shrapnel that does pierce his skin. Then it will be too late.

Game over.

[Edit]
Give one example of Hulk's "Disruption of the magnetic spectrum". If this were true he'd float around at random because of disrupting gravity.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Hulk's body healed over his hand. It won't expel anything.

It only takes a miniscule amount of metal forced into his body to matter. Look at it like this. You take a stick of butter and a toothpick. Put the stick of butter ontop of the top of the toothpick. It won't impale itself. You apply any force besides the weight of the butter, it goes inside. Same concept. Magneto gets it inside of him, through his pores, through penetration, doesn't matter. He gets it inside. He lifts the METAL. Hulks body is so tough that the force required to lift his weight isn't enough to cause the metal to go through his body.

His own durability screws him.

You keep saying "Resistance, resistance, resistance" Resistance means nothing in this scenario. Magneto isn't doing anything to the Hulk except putting metal, an almost insignifigant amount at that, inside of him. Hulk is going to be so busy swatting poles, pipes, cars, etc. that he won't have time to acknowledge the shrapnel that does pierce his skin. Then it will be too late.

Game over.

Again you are not listening to anything I am saying you are just ranting. There are two main points.

1. Adaptibility. His body will expel the metal because his body has been shown to adapt to different sorts of attacks. Hell its even possible for his body to stop the metal from entering his body. The evidence being all the other attacks that Hulk has adapted to in the past. IM pretty god damn sure if he can grow lungs his body can expel metal.

2. If he generates gamma radiation that wll disrupt Magnetos powers because gamma radiation is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Heres a third one....

3. Assuming he wont be fast enough is giving Magneto the benefit of the doubt. Hulk has caught a bullet in his teeth and messed up Gladiator who tried to BFR him using speed.

Originally posted by Nataku8188

[Edit]
Give one example of Hulk's "Disruption of the magnetic spectrum". If this were true he'd float around at random because of disrupting gravity.

I dont have to give you an example you are not listening. Just the fact that he can produce massive amounts of gamma radiation is going to make it difficult for Magneto to control him. Gamma radiation is electromagnetic and so are Magnetos powers. As I already stated Mags has been able to disrupt psionic powers because psionic powers are related to the electromagnetic spectrum.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again you are not listening to anything I am saying you are just ranting. There are two main points.

1. Adaptibility. His body will expel the metal because his body has been shown to adapt to different sorts of attacks. Hell its even possible for his body to stop the metal from entering his body. The evidence being all the other attacks that Hulk has adapted to in the past. IM pretty god damn sure if he can grow lungs his body can expel metal.

2. If he generates gamma radiation that wll disrupt Magnetos powers because gamma radiation is part of the electromagnetic.

Heres a third one....

3. Assuming he wont be fast enough is giving Magneto the benefit of the doubt. Hulk has caught a bullet in his teeth and messed up Gladiator who tried to BFR him using speed.

1) Wrong. I give a perfect example, his body healed OVER his hand, which he then had to RIP OUT. That alone shows your theory is completely flawed. Growing a new organ is NOT the same as forcing something out of your body. Once it's through the muscle tissue, your body really has next to no ability to "Expel" anything, except in his case, to force-grow organs until they force it out. But, if he can just "Force out" something, then Magneto can just as easily force it in. If you had any knowledge of Anatomy you'd understand this.

2) No it won't. If it would disrupt Magneto's powers it'd disrupt the earth's magnetic field. You have no proof of this, and the sheer claim is absurd and ridiculous.

3) Not fast enough to what? Catch Magneto? Magneto is in Times Square, he can fly in, around, through buildings. He only has to know generally where hulk is and just throw all sorts of metal at him until something sticks. Worst case scenario he runs until Hulk stops chasing him for a fraction of a second to rip something out, Magneto takes this opprotunity to force something into him and it's over.

You lose, good day sir.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont have to give you an example you are not listening. Just the fact that he can produce massive amounts of gamma radiation is going to make it difficult for Magneto to control him. Gamma radiation is electromagnetic and so are Magnetos powers. As I already stated Mags has been able to disrupt psionic powers because psionic powers are related to the electromagnetic spectrum.

If Gamma radiation works on an electromagnetic spectrum then Magneto can manipulate it.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
1) Wrong. I give a perfect example, his body healed OVER his hand, which he then had to RIP OUT. That alone shows your theory is completely flawed. Growing a new organ is NOT the same as forcing something out of your body. Once it's through the muscle tissue, your body really has next to no ability to "Expel" anything, except in his case, to force-grow organs until they force it out. But, if he can just "Force out" something, then Magneto can just as easily force it in. If you had any knowledge of Anatomy you'd understand this.

You are missing the point. The examples I listed are all different but in each of those example his body adapted to the attacks, which therefore indicates that there is a good chance that Hulks body will adapt to this, get it? Furthermore how the hell is he going to control his body when The Starnger couldn't do it?

Originally posted by Nataku8188

2) No it won't. If it would disrupt Magneto's powers it'd disrupt the earth's magnetic field. You have no proof of this, and the sheer claim is absurd and ridiculous..

Well psionic powers haven't been shown to affect the magnetic field but guess what Magneto was able to affect psionic ability because psionic energy is related to electromagnetic energy.

Originally posted by Nataku8188

3) Not fast enough to what? Catch Magneto? Magneto is in Times Square, he can fly in, around, through buildings. He only has to know generally where hulk is and just throw all sorts of metal at him until something sticks. Worst case scenario he runs until Hulk stops chasing him for a fraction of a second to rip something out, Magneto takes this opprotunity to force something into him and it's over.

You lose, good day sir.

If Stranger couldn't control his body Magnetos not doing it either.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
If Gamma radiation works on an electromagnetic spectrum then Magneto can manipulate it.

Nah really. Do I have to explain to you there are limitations to how much electromagnetic energy he can control and WWH was producing so much energy he would have destroyed the planet?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You are missing the point. The examples I listed are all different but in each of those example his body adapted to the attacks, which therefore indicates that there is a good chance that Hulks body will adapt to this, get it? Furthermore how the hell is he going to control his body when The Starnger couldn't do it?

Well psionic powers haven't been shown to affect the magnetic field but guess what Magneto was able to affect psionic ability because psionic energy is related to electromagnetic energy.

If Stranger couldn't control his body Magnetos not doing it either.

Listen. You've obviously been home-schooled by the mentally handicapped. I'll break it down ONE more time for you. That's it.

1) Hulks body can adapt all it wants. None of those show any sort of ability to "Expel" things from his body. Quite the contrary, I showed an exact feat that shows he cannot "Expel" things from his body. You are relying on hypothesis. I am relying on a fact.

2) Magneto does not control the Hulk's body. How many ways can I say this? Hulk has metal in his body. Magneto lifts the metal. Hulk's body is the metal in it, thus it is lifted as well. Think of putting a hook in a fish. You lift the hook, the fish comes with it. You aren't exerting force on the fish, just the hook. The fish has become an extension of the hook, and in essence, done nothing more than make it weigh more. The same principle. The piece of metal just now weighs whatever Hulk weighs in addition to it's own weight.

There's no debating either of those points until you can find an actual example of him "expelling" something from his body.

The second point cannot be debated. It's fact.