Magneto vs WWHulk

Started by Starscream M9 pages

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im trying to get the issue but somebody stated how an astronmer actually calcualated the size of the asteroid. Im trying to get somebody to scan the relevant page.

If he can resist a forcefield that can put a planet into orbit I think he can smah planet sized objects. That Hulk was weaker than WWH by the way. 😬

again, with the orbit stuff...just because the guy said it doesn't make it true

has he ever demonstrated shifting orbits with that power

you have to realize alot of hyperbole is used in comics that are pretty meaningless....if I had a quarter for everytime someone said "that was the hardest I've been hit, I'd be a billionaire.

hence, words need evidence to back them up

Originally posted by Starscream M
again, with the orbit stuff...just because the guy said it doesn't make it true

has he ever demonstrated shifting orbits with that power

you have to realize alot of hyperbole is used in comics that are pretty meaningless....if I had a quarter for everytime someone said "that was the hardest I've been hit, I'd be a billionaire

hence, words need evidence to back them up

Yeah but if Reed Richards said something like that im entitled to believe it. The Stranger is highly intelligent and he created the device he should know and we know that its within the strangers capability to do such things, hes considered to be abstract for crying out loud....well ok dont know about abstrat but a high level entity.

Sometimes it depends on who says it. Enemies of Shang Chi said that Cap was better than Shang Chi. We can take there word for it because they have fought Shang Chi many times.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Anyway heres him hurting Mephisto..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/mephisto.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/comic%20book%20scans/mephisto2.jpg

Meph actually let him do that.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech

Meph actually let him do that.

Damn you!!!! 😂 Oh well. Anyway we have Red Hulk hurting a Watcher...heh.

Unfortinately I cant seem to find the feat of Hulk cracking Celestial armour.....damn.

Anyway heres proof the asteroid twice the size of earth. Credit goes to darthgoober aka Mr Scan

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9828/mcp5228bp8.jpg

By the way Grey Hulk smashed the asteroid and hes one of the weakest incarnations of the Hulk. Kiss Magentos shield goodbye. 🙂

Hulk has been restrained by a Magnetic Field before just throwing that out there.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Hulk has been restrained by a Magnetic Field before just throwing that out there.

Ok but WWH is considerably more powerful than Savage Hulk despite this though Hulk has actually managed to deafeat people more stronger than Magneto so I would not expect that to happene everytime.

If Sentry couldn't beat WWH, Magneto stands no chance.

Originally posted by Terryc250
If Sentry couldn't beat WWH, Magneto stands no chance.

No offense, but that's horrible ABC logic. Sentry and Magneto have two COMPLETELY different powersets.

The evidence is mounting against Hulk here however, both proof of Hulk being unable to break magnetic fields, and a scan saying no purely physical force can break Magneto's shield have been shown, while the supporters of Hulk have... Hulk slamming himself into an astroid... which goes nowhere towards proving what they wish it would.

However, as I'm not much a fan of the character, outside of battlefield removal, I don't see much other options for Magneto, and he will certainly tire after a while.

Originally posted by Juntai
If you're suggesting Hulk shatters the shield, you're the one that needs toprovide the proof. Near as I can tell, no physical force has broken it at all. Certainly Magneto doesn't run into a being PHYSICALLY stronger than World War Hulk every over issue, so what you're suggesting is a complete impossibility, however a two second search on a character I'm barely familiar wish provided two very strong characters beating in futility against it, and it outright stating MERE PHYSICAL FORCE is not enough to break down his shield.

Imo, the truth is, I'm not sure how Magneto deals with Hulk while the shield is up, and eventually he would get tired. And Hulk could get him. Maybe bend the light around his eyes to make him blind might buy him some time, but that seems all I can think of, save creating a magnetic field and using it for some straight up battlefield removal.

Actually those suggesting that magnetos shield CANNOT be broken are the ones who need to provide the proof. For one if magneto has not run into a physical force on WWH level, then there is no proof that his shield cannot be broken by higher levels of force than magneto has faced. Also the scan ONLY showed thor and she hulk hitting the shield ONCE. In comparison, WWH is FAR superior strength wise to she hulk( he did take her out in one punch) and is also considerably superior to thor. Also the statement that no physical force can break down his shield is actually nothing more than bragging on magnetos part. Yes it has indeed taken hits from strong beings but we can NOT just because of this assume that magnetos shield cannot be broken by any physical force because there are physical forces FAR superior to what he has faced. It is similar to the hulk saying he is the strongest one there is. It is a statement by the character the hulk but we cannot simply take that as fact. Although, the hulk HAS defeated many superstrong beings using his own strength, we still cant assume he is the strongest one there is because there are many super strong beings FAR superior to the people the hulk has faced. Now to determine whether hulk can break magnetos shields, Both sides need proof. The magneto side needs to provide proof of mags resisting a physical force superior CONTINUOUS ramming from the WW hulk, while the hulk side needs to provide the hulk using more force than anything magneto has ever faced.

The hulk breaking full powered onslaughts armor witha punch certainly establishes the level to which the hulk can exert physical force as the armor was something that the COMBINED effort of nearly all earths heroes could not destroy. Magneto however has never resisted any force evn comparable to the combined effort of forty heroes. Hulk has also broken the most powerful force field of an elder of the universe which imo>magnetos. The hulk has a numerous amount of feats that show he is at a level of strength that magneto has never faced before( holding a planet together is just one). Magnetos force fields may have proved unbreakable for the levels of forces he has faced but as ive said, a continous pummeling for WWH is superior to anything magnetos shields have met.

Originally posted by Juntai
The evidence is mounting against Hulk here however, both proof of Hulk being unable to break magnetic fields, and a scan saying no purely physical force can break Magneto's shield have been shown, while the supporters of Hulk have... Hulk slamming himself into an astroid... which goes nowhere towards proving what they wish it would.

However, as I'm not much a fan of the character, outside of battlefield removal, I don't see much other options for Magneto, and he will certainly tire after a while.

Three problems:

1. Hulk has resisted characters more powerful than Magento eg Silver Surfer. Doc Samson has taken multiple shots from Hulk but once got one-shoted by Luke Cage. I do not expect Hulk to get Koed by Magneto everytime. most likely he won't.

2. Even that version of the Hulk has greater feats of power than Magneto has, so if we add up all there feats Hulk most likely will not get Koed or dropped by Magneto.

3. WWH is much more powerful than Savage Hulk

Both are bloodlusted?

WWH sweeps this, then. Through his entire arc, he was never bloodlusted until Meik stabbed Rick. Everything he did, he did with a good degree of self control.

If these two are going completely unfettered at each other, Hulk is going to end up ripping him up into magnetic letters you put on your refrigerator.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Both are bloodlusted?

WWH sweeps this, then. Through his entire arc, he was never bloodlusted until Meik stabbed Rick. Everything he did, he did with a good degree of self control.

If these two are going completely unfettered at each other, Hulk is going to end up ripping him up into magnetic letters you put on your refrigerator.

I don't even see how WWH would touch Magneto?

His energy output will just be absorbed and the Hulk has no way of reaching him, and apparently he tires quite quickly when bloodlusted.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Hulk is going to end up ripping him up into magnetic letters you put on your refrigerator.

Nice one . 👆

Originally posted by llagrok
I don't even see how WWH would touch Magneto?

His energy output will just be absorbed and the Hulk has no way of reaching him, and apparently he tires quite quickly when bloodlusted.

Yup thats exactly whats being said....oh wait a minute no its not.

I kinda lost here anything that Magneto is planning to do or is gonna do to the hulk can be done from a distance.Magneto can fly and he does not need to fly so far away that he would leave the battlefield.Hulk can reach magneto by leaping but I have not doubt that magneto is capable of evading the leap not to say hulk cant hit him.But one or two hit from a leaping wwh is not gonna break magneto's shield.

I think everyone here agrees that if the shield is to be broken it will take continuous blows from hulk.That scenario only happens if magneto stands right in front of the hulk and lets him wail on his shields.This fight in my opinion comes down more to what Magneto can to do put down the hulk much more than if the hulk can brake through his shields.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I kinda lost here anything that Magneto is planning to do or is gonna do to the hulk can be done from a distance.Magneto can fly and he does not need to fly so far away that he would leave the battlefield.Hulk can reach magneto by leaping but I have not doubt that magneto is capable of evading the leap not to say hulk cant hit him.But one or two hit from a leaping wwh is not gonna break magneto's shield.

I think everyone here agrees that if the shield is to be broken it will take continuous blows from hulk.That scenario only happens if magneto stands right in front of the hulk and lets him wail on his shields.This fight in my opinion comes down more to what Magneto can to do put down the hulk much more than if the hulk can brake through his shields.

If Magneto gets tried enough he wont even be able to levitate.

When has Magneto ever been that tired?

If Rogue can absorb as much as she can, and he still doesn't tire, I have a feeling that he won't tire from this.

Originally posted by llagrok
When has Magneto ever been that tired?

When anybody gets tired the less control they have over their powers, hell if exerts himself he will pass out, as far as I know thats universal.

Magneto in the marvel zombies universe had trouble flying because he was extremely tired. I dont see how that version is far removed from 616.

Originally posted by llagrok

If Rogue can absorb as much as she can, and he still doesn't tire, I have a feeling that he won't tire from this.

That a good point actually Rogue is much more powerful than WWH.....wait a minute...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
When anybody gets tired the less control they have over their powers, hell if exerts himself he will pass out, as far as I know thats universal.

Magneto in the marvel zombies universe had trouble flying because he was extremely tired. I dont see how that version is far removed from 616.

That a good point actually Rogue is much more powerful than WWH.....wait a minute...

i think what he meant was that rogue took alot of energy from Magneto, but it didn't severely affect him.
But i don't think there's anything Magneto can ultimately do that could put hulk down for the count.