Originally posted by willRules
I've read Iron-Fist's latest run up to issue #14, I loved the 7 capital cities of heaven storyline, it was fantastic.I've also read Frank Miller's run on DD which includes an issue where DD and IF fight with them seemingly even in skill. Miller's run also includes multiple occasions where it is suggested that Elektra is greater in skill than DD and is proven at least twice (to my recollection)
You mean when DD got out of jail?
When they were fighting and IF was trying to fight in DD style?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes, and you'd have the same opinion as me if you actually read them also... but I get the feeling you are to distracting by the pretty pictures to read the words.
Oh really, then show me the scans that show DD to be superior in skill, I must've missed that bit of dialog.
Originally posted by Mindset
Oh really, then show me the scans that show DD to be superior in skill, I must've missed that bit of dialog.
How about the fact that Iron Fist (who was impersonating DD), need to resort to using the Iron Fist against Matt (who he thought was some mook impersonation DD). If Danny could take him skill for skill, he would have done it with out using the iron fist, instead he risked exposing his true identity because he wasn't up to snuff. No is argueing that Danny doesn't have more firepower, he just isn't as skilled.
Originally posted by srankmissingninOr maybe it's just as arguable that he just wanted to end the fight quickly instead of eventually beating him with just pure skill? Also that was classic Iron Fist. Doesn't really apply anymore.
How about the fact that Iron Fist (who was impersonating DD), need to resort to using the Iron Fist against Matt (who he thought was some mook impersonation DD). If Danny could take him skill for skill, he would have done it with out using the iron fist, instead he risked exposing his true identity because he wasn't up to snuff. No is argueing that Danny doesn't have more firepower, he just isn't as skilled.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or maybe it's just as arguable that he just wanted to end the fight quickly instead of eventually beating him with just pure skill? Also that was classic Iron Fist. Doesn't really apply anymore.
Possible but unlikely. He was pretending to be Daredevil as a favour to Matt, as soon he as he used the Ironfist, it was obvious he wasn't the real DD. Unless he was planing on killing the "impersonator" and dumping his body in a lake, his act would have been for nothing and no one would have benefited from it.
Danny didn't get any more skilled in the pages of IIF, he became more powerful and more versatile... but he was already much more powerful and versatile then DD or Elektra to begin with.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
How about the fact that Iron Fist (who was impersonating DD), need to resort to using the Iron Fist against Matt (who he thought was some mook impersonation DD). If Danny could take him skill for skill, he would have done it with out using the iron fist, instead he risked exposing his true identity because he wasn't up to snuff. No is argueing that Danny doesn't have more firepower, he just isn't as skilled.
Except it was said that Danny was trying to fight using DD style, which would be harder than him trying to fight his own way...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you think he decided to resort to using the Iron Fist, before switching into his own style of combat? 😕
You act like he had to use IF, it's more likely that he was pissed and decided to just use his powers on someone he thought was impersonating DD, he was tired of trying to fight in a style not his own.
That doesn't show DD has more skill at all.
It'd be like a Kung Fu master fighting a Karate master, but the Kung Fu master is trying to use Karate, but can't win, then you say he is not as skilled.
Originally posted by Mindset
You act like he had to use IF, it's more likely that he was pissed and decided to just use his powers on someone he thought was impersonating DD, he was tired of trying to fight in a style not his own.That doesn't show DD has more skill at all.
It'd be like a Kung Fu master fighting a Karate master, but the Kung Fu master is trying to use Karate, but can't win, then you say he is not as skilled.
Not really, it be like a Kung Fu Master fighting a Karate Master using Karate.... and then pulling out a hand grenade when he realises he can't keep up in the same fighting style.
And that is a little excessive, when you consider DD and Iron Fist have a similar fighting style to begin with.
This would be a nice fight to see. Both highly disciplined. I may give Rank a very slight majority due to the iron fist. That may cause serious damage to Elektra if connected.
As for Matt fighting Danny when he was in the DD getup, Rand was using both his AND DD's fighting style. He did realize that he wasnt beating the imposter in pure h2h(which was really Matt) and pulled out the iron fist as a last resort. Or he realized he was in for the fight of his life and decided to pull out the iron fist. Either way, Rand realized he needed to use the iron fist in order to beat this DD imposter.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not really, it be like a Kung Fu Master fighting a Karate Master using Karate.... and then pulling out a hand grenade when he realises he can't keep up in the same fighting style.And that is a little excessive, when you consider DD and Iron Fist have a similar fighting style to begin with.
You realize you didn't disagree what I said right, just expanded on the same idea...
Evidently their styles are different enough for the writer to state that Danny was trying to fight like DD.
You have nothing that shows DD is more skilled than Danny.
Originally posted by jrodslam
This would be a nice fight to see. Both highly disciplined. I may give Rank a very slight majority due to the iron fist. That may cause serious damage to Elektra if connected.As for Matt fighting Danny when he was in the DD getup, Rand was using both his AND DD's fighting style. He did realize that he wasnt beating the imposter in pure h2h(which was really Matt) and pulled out the iron fist as a last resort. Or he realized he was in for the fight of his life and decided to pull out the iron fist. Either way, Rand realized he needed to use the iron fist in order to beat this DD imposter.
Post the scans of the fight, I deleted the comic.
Originally posted by Mindset
You realize you didn't disagree what I said right, just expanded on the same idea...Evidently their styles are different enough for the writer to state that Danny was trying to fight like DD.
You have nothing that shows DD is more skilled than Danny.
If Danny was skilled enough to win on martial technique alone, then resorting to using the iron fist is excessive; in the same way busting out a grenade would be.
At the very least there is more to support Daredevil > Iron Fist the vica versa.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Danny was skilled enough to win on martial technique alone, then resorting to using the iron fist is excessive; in the same way busting out a grenade would be.At the very least there is more to support Daredevil > Iron Fist the vica versa.
No, not really.
Danny went from trying to fight as DD, to fighting without holding back. Just because Danny used his abilities didn't mean he had to, but he had no reason not to. Why not use a gun to end a fight fast instead of taking your chances w/o it.
Like a said, that brief skirmish isn't proof of anything.
Originally posted by Mindset
No, not really.Danny went from trying to fight as DD, to fighting without holding back. Just because Danny used his abilities didn't mean he had to, but he had no reason not to. Why not use a gun to end a fight fast instead of taking your chances w/o it.
Like a said, that brief skirmish isn't proof of anything.
Thing is, Danny was fighting as DD for quite a while. he was using DD's style as well as his own. He didnt use his full style because he wanted everyone to believe he was the real DD while Matt was in prison. From the many wekks or however long it was, he never used the iron fist while in the DD suit. That would blow the purpose of what he was doing. When he tussled with Matt, him using the iron fist seemed to be the last resort.
Originally posted by jrodslam
The dialog in the scans supports my point even more.
"He's trying to emulate my moves...that takes considerable effort and concentration"
"He doesn't use billy clubs...that's his first mistake"
And he was fighting a DD who was not in any mood to mess around, because at the time he though Foggy was dead and the imposter knew who was behind it.
When Danny realized that trying to fight like DD wasn't going to work, obviously not seeing as it put him at a huge disadvantage, he was fighting the actual DD w/ the aid of his billy clubs and not messing around, he decided to use his IF.
None of that says to me DD is more skilled.
