Elektra vs Iron Fist

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thing is, Danny was fighting as DD for quite a while. he was using DD's style as well as his own. He didnt use his full style because he wanted everyone to believe he was the real DD while Matt was in prison. From the many wekks or however long it was, he never used the iron fist while in the DD suit. That would blow the purpose of what he was doing. When he tussled with Matt, him using the iron fist seemed to be the last resort.

It wasn't that long, maybe a month, and that isn't really relevant, it's not like Danny had to face any skilled fighters while pretending to be DD. But fighting the actual DD and trying to use his style w/o the aid of billy clubs put him at a disadvantage. 😬

Originally posted by Mindset
The dialog in the scans supports my point even more.

"He's trying to emulate my moves...that takes considerable effort and concentration"

"He doesn't use billy clubs...that's his first mistake"

And he was fighting a DD who was not in any mood to mess around, because at the time he though Foggy was dead and the imposter knew who was behind it.

When Danny realized that trying to fight like DD wasn't going to work, obviously not seeing as it put him at a huge disadvantage, he was fighting the actual DD w/ the aid of his billy clubs and not messing around, he decided to use his IF.

None of that says to me DD is more skilled.

"Hes trying to emulate my moves AT THE SAME TIME." Danny knows DD's stlye and hes been using it for a nice period of time.

"He doesnt use the billy clubs...." Funny cause Danny HAS used the billy clubs in other fights where he was dressed up as DD. He even used them against Deadpool.

Ok, so he was fighting an angry Matt. Does that mean Danny would say "Uhh ohh, this guy is too good. Maybe i should just use my style instead."? Nope. Danny skipped pass all that and went right to the Iron Fist.

That kinda proves, kinda proves that Danny cant beat Matt unless he goes to the iron fist.

Originally posted by Mindset
It wasn't that long, maybe a month, and that isn't really relevant, it's not like Danny had to face any skilled fighters while pretending to be DD. But fighting the actual DD and trying to use his style w/o the aid of billy clubs put him at a disadvantage. 😬

It was long enough. Would you not agree that Deadpool is a skilled fighter? Plus, wasnt it Danny who was going as DD for the entire Civil War? Or most of it at least? And like i said, when he fought Deadpool he used the billy clubs, so why not use it against the DD imposter?

Originally posted by jrodslam
"Hes trying to emulate my moves AT THE SAME TIME." Danny knows DD's stlye and hes been using it for a nice period of time.

"He doesnt use the billy clubs...." Funny cause Danny HAS used the billy clubs in other fights where he was dressed up as DD. He even used them against Deadpool.

Ok, so he was fighting an angry Matt. Does that mean Danny would say "Uhh ohh, this guy is too good. Maybe i should just use my style instead."? Nope. Danny skipped pass all that and went right to the Iron Fist.

That kinda proves, kinda proves that Danny cant beat Matt unless he goes to the iron fist.

This pretty much echos my thoughts on the situation.

I mean, if Danny was going to go through the trouble of impersonating Daredevil, why sabotage himself by using the iron fist unless it was absolutely necessary?

Originally posted by jrodslam
"Hes trying to emulate my moves AT THE SAME TIME." Danny knows DD's stlye and hes been using it for a nice period of time.

"He doesnt use the billy clubs...." Funny cause Danny HAS used the billy clubs in other fights where he was dressed up as DD. He even used them against Deadpool.

Ok, so he was fighting an angry Matt. Does that mean Danny would say "Uhh ohh, this guy is too good. Maybe i should just use my style instead."? Nope. Danny skipped pass all that and went right to the Iron Fist.

That kinda proves, kinda proves that Danny cant beat Matt unless he goes to the iron fist.

He said he's trying to fight me and emulate my moves at the same time, that just means he was trying to fight as DD, I don't know why you are capitalizing, "at the same time", like it's some big revelation....

That's not that he has used billy clubs, I was saying he wasn't using them when he fought DD...

Where's the scan of him beating Deadpool?

Danny was being beat while he had multiple disadvantages, just because he decided to use IF doesn't mean he needed it, it's not like the IF amps his other attributes, it's not like he punches any faster (at least to my knowldge). Danny never tried fighting w/o the IF, why would he try to when he didn't need to?

Originally posted by jrodslam
It was long enough. Would you not agree that Deadpool is a skilled fighter? Plus, wasnt it Danny who was going as DD for the entire Civil War? Or most of it at least? And like i said, when he fought Deadpool he used the billy clubs, so why not use it against the DD imposter?

Scans of him fighting Deadpool.

And I remember Danny fighting in CW as himself.

He probably didn't use the billy clubs because he didn't have them...it's not like it even matters why he didn't anyway.

So your saying Danny fighting as DD for a month, maybe a short while more should be proficient enough to be able to fight DD in his own style w/o the aid of billy clubs and do well, is that what you're trying to tell me?

Originally posted by Mindset
He said he's trying to fight me and emulate my moves at the same time, that just means he was trying to fight as DD, I don't know why you are capitalizing, "at the same time", like it's some big revelation....

That's not that he has used billy clubs, I was saying he wasn't using them when he fought DD...

Where's the scan of him beating Deadpool?

Danny was being beat while he had multiple disadvantages, just because he decided to use IF doesn't mean he needed it, it's not like the IF amps his other attributes, it's not like he punches any faster (at least to my knowldge). Danny never tried fighting w/o the IF, why would he try to when he didn't need to?

Him saying hes using both styles is saying just that. He(Danny) was using his style as well as Matts.

I know he wasnt using them when he fought DD. Question is, why didnt he? He had them ANd he knew how to use it like DD as well. Instead, he used the iron fist and broke character.

I didnt say he beat Deadpool. I said he used it on Deadpool.

What were Dannys multiple disadvantages? U used the iron fist because he helt that it would be the only way to defeat this DD imposter. I cant think of any other reason to why Danny would use it. Hes suppose to be "DD". If he uses the iron fist, his DD cover is blown. That was a huge risk he took there.

Originally posted by Mindset
Scans of him fighting Deadpool.

And I remember Danny fighting in CW as himself.

He probably didn't use the billy clubs because he didn't have them...it's not like it even matters why he didn't anyway.

So your saying Danny fighting as DD for a month, maybe a short while more should be proficient enough to be able to fight DD in his own style w/o the aid of billy clubs and do well, is that what you're trying to tell me?

This is his first attack on Deadpool. After the initial throw, he just uses the clubs for a couple of attacks, but mainly blocks.

Hes thrown the clubs DD-like several times while fighting crime in the DD garb.

As for him not using the clubs while fighting Matt, he had them. He just decided not to use them.

Im trying to say that Danny SHOULD be proficient enough to fight Matt using a combination of both styles without using the clubs and do well. Its not like Matt was constantly throwing them all over the place. Im also trying to say that if he noticed that he wasnt doing to well like that, he could/shouldve considered using his own style completely.

Originally posted by Mindset
You mean when DD got out of jail?

When they were fighting and IF was trying to fight in DD style?

Daredevil #178
Daredevil was on the same case as the heroes for hire. DD resolves it which annoys IF who demands answers. A small skirmish ensues whereby neither combatant can lay a finger on the other one. They both keep dodging each other. It ends with DD going "I haven't got time for this." and getting away due to some extremely fancy acrobatics....

Although the example where they fight during Civil War is good where they are both shown to be roughly even in skill.

My point is just that Elektra is arguably superior to DD in skill and therefore IF. Otherwise I'd say this fight is 50/50. Tis a good match up ✅

Originally posted by jrodslam
Him saying hes using both styles is saying just that. He(Danny) was using his style as well as Matts.

I know he wasnt using them when he fought DD. Question is, why didnt he? He had them ANd he knew how to use it like DD as well. Instead, he used the iron fist and broke character.

I didnt say he beat Deadpool. I said he used it on Deadpool.

What were Dannys multiple disadvantages? U used the iron fist because he helt that it would be the only way to defeat this DD imposter. I cant think of any other reason to why Danny would use it. Hes suppose to be "DD". If he uses the iron fist, his DD cover is blown. That was a huge risk he took there.

He didn't say he was using both styles. "A better martial artists then most I've faced...And he's trying to emulate my moves at the same time." That doesn't mean he is using both styles, that means he is trying to fight like DD...

How do you know he had the billy clubs, I don't see them on him.

Ok, he used him on DP, and?

He is trying to fight DD in DD's own style, there's a disadvantage. He doesn't have any weapons while DD has his billy clubs, there's a disadvantage. DD is fighting to seriously hurt IF, because he thinks he knows who was behind the murder of his best friend, IF could have underestimated the situation...those are the multiple disadvantages.

Originally posted by Mindset
He didn't say he was using both styles. "A better martial artists then most I've faced...And he's trying to emulate my moves at the same time." That doesn't mean he is using both styles, that means he is trying to fight like DD...

That does mean hes using multiple styles. The whole "At the same time." tells us that Danny is using Matts moves/style in conjunction with his own.

Originally posted by Mindset
How do you know he had the billy clubs, I don't see them on him.

Ok, he used him on DP, and?

He had the billy clubs in the holster.

I mentioned Danny using them on Deadpool just to indicate that knows how to use them in a fight, thus him not deciding to do so isnt becase he didnt know how, but rather him just not doing so.

Originally posted by Mindset
He is trying to fight DD in DD's own style, there's a disadvantage. He doesn't have any weapons while DD has his billy clubs, there's a disadvantage. DD is fighting to seriously hurt IF, because he thinks he knows who was behind the murder of his best friend, IF could have underestimated the situation...those are the multiple disadvantages.

Hes using DD's style incorporated with his own. He could have just simply stopped using Matts style once realizing his opponent was too tough. He chose not to use the clubs. DD fighting enraged is also a hindrance to him as shown in the past, so would that not be a disadvantage for Matt? Danny's "disadvantages" are his own doing, thus cant really be called disadvantages. Nothing hindered him from using the clubs. Nothing hindered him from FULLY using his own fighting style. If there wasnt anything stopping him from doing those, you cant really say he was at a disadvantage.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Danny was skilled enough to win on martial technique alone, then resorting to using the iron fist is excessive; in the same way busting out a grenade would be.

At the very least there is more to support Daredevil > Iron Fist the vica versa.

Excessive? It's not like pulling out a rocket launcher as a last resort mpve, it's natural to Danny and part of his fighting style.

Daredevil had a slight edge and Danny wasn't even using his "own" style.