Originally posted by psycho gundam
^stop making this kind of argument, it will only get you flamed.when it comes to invulnerability, the juggernaut owns that copyright in comics so don't go there, and konvikt is doing all the same sort of physical attacks the hulk did in wwh. juggy was equal to that hulk causing a stalemate the hulk realized would only deter him from his original goal, thus the bfr.
Juggernaut owns the copy right to invulnerability? Like when he got burned in the face? LMAO.
Originally posted by Newjak
You know I can show where Juggernaut is completely immune to fire 😉
I'm sure you can. Just means that he is nearly invulnerable. has he been shown to being invulnerable to sonics? even with his shield up for some reason, he can still hear. And even with his shield up, he can still see. I can see those being exploited.
Originally posted by fangirl101Not really and if so only temporarily.
I'm sure you can. Just means that he is nearly invulnerable. has he been shown to being invulnerable to sonics? even with his shield up for some reason, he can still hear. And even with his shield up, he can still see. I can see those being exploited.
It isn't like someone can permanently blind the Juggernaut 😬
I think you are just reaching now.
Originally posted by Newjak
Not really and if so only temporarily.It isn't like someone can permanently blind the Juggernaut 😬
I think you are just reaching now.
No I'm not. People act as if the juggernaut is completely invulnerable. He's not. It just takes someone to over power cyttoraks enchantment. ONSLAUGHT DID IT. Who later on himself got beaten by the Hulk. I'd say 3 herald level beings would have the power to overide the enchantments properties.
Originally posted by fangirl101Actually Onslaught did it when Cain was still weak just coming back from another dimension.
No I'm not. People act as if the juggernaut is completely invulnerable. He's not. It just takes someone to over power cyttoraks enchantment. ONSLAUGHT DID IT. Who later on himself got beaten by the Hulk. I'd say 3 herald level beings would have the power to overide the enchantments properties.
And no Herald level being has over ridden the enchantment. Not Dr. Strange, not Thor, not even Nightmare.
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually Onslaught did it when Cain was still weak just coming back from another dimension.And no Herald level being has over ridden the enchantment. Not Dr. Strange, not Thor, not even Nightmare.
Thor Drained the Force field. Hulk Stopped The juggernaut's momentum. That is enough for me to realize that anyone that who is either top of the food chain herald, or above can break the enchantments.
Originally posted by fangirl101Thor used a magical hammer that allows him to fight skyfathers and higher and was only able to partially do it 😬
Thor Drained the Force field. Hulk Stopped The juggernaut's momentum. That is enough for me to realize that anyone that who is either top of the food chain herald, or above can break the enchantments.
Hulk had Celestial powered tech on him. Celestials are > Cyytorak.
So no it wasn't Herald level power that did it 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor used a magical hammer that allows him to fight skyfathers and higher and was only able to partially do it 😬Hulk had Celestial powered tech on him. Celestials are > Cyytorak.
So no it wasn't Herald level power that did it 😬
Um, Apoc has celestial tech too. So you think he's over cytroak too? LMAO.
Originally posted by fangirl101No I think the tech allows people to overcome bits of Cyytorak's enchantments.
Um, Apoc has celestial tech too. So you think he's over cytroak too? LMAO.
Although once again Hulk never hurt Cain.
Thor never beat Cain.
So far in this debate you have used non-cannon material, low points(Most of which aren't like you say but I don't have the time to point out every small thing wrong with them), and bias.
And to point out further everything you have said Konvikt doesn't possess anyways. 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
No I think the tech allows people to overcome bits of Cyytorak's enchantments.Although once again Hulk never hurt Cain.
Thor never beat Cain.
So far in this debate you have used non-cannon material, low points(Most of which aren't like you say but I don't have the time to point out every small thing wrong with them), and bias.
And to point out further everything you have said Konvikt doesn't possess anyways. 😬
I am not giving either the win. If you haven't noticed. So no biased. Get your reading straight. Some of Cyttorak's enchantments have been over come. So I'm betting someone who is powerful enough could overcome them all or one of them enough to gain a win.
Originally posted by fangirl101Yup but no one you have put Juggernaut against.
I am not giving either the win. If you haven't noticed. So no biased. Get your reading straight. Some of Cyttorak's enchantments have been over come. So I'm betting someone who is powerful enough could overcome them all or one of them enough to gain a win.
The only person to remotely do it was Thor. And even then he had a magical Hammer that was able to attune itself to Cain's specific magical power. Even then it only partially did it, and only worked as long as Thor's hammer kept up the attack. Once it ended Cain immediately got back all his power.
Once again none of the people you have put him against can do this nor would they be able to sustain it. 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
Yup but no one you have put Juggernaut against.The only person to remotely do it was Thor. And even then he had a magical Hammer that was able to attune itself to Cain's specific magical power. Even then it only partially did it, and only worked as long as Thor's hammer kept up the attack. Once it ended Cain immediately got back all his power.
Once again none of the people you have put him against can do this nor would they be able to sustain it. 😬
Nor would they have to. They all have thier own special plot powers that can do well against the juggernaut. The main point is that the enchantments can be gotten around.
Originally posted by NewjakIn their first battle ["Hulk" #172], they stalemated - and that was 'regular' Hulk.
Hulk had Celestial powered tech on him.
Originally posted by NewjakHaving Celestial tech, did not make WAR Hulk = an actual Celestial. So the above logic is a tad sketchy, imo.
Celestials are > Cyytorak.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^stop making this kind of argument, it will only get you flamed.when it comes to invulnerability, the juggernaut owns that copyright in comics so don't go there, and konvikt is doing all the same sort of physical attacks the hulk did in wwh. juggy was equal to that hulk causing a stalemate the hulk realized would only deter him from his original goal, thus the bfr.
[startflaming] You know what would be more invulnerable that the Juggernaut?
The Montreal Canadians with Mats Sundin in they're line-up! 😱 [/startflaming]
Originally posted by psycho gundam
like what? you don't really know the nature of his power's do you?
Originally posted by fangirl101power gem amping made thanos's punches strong enough to shatter cap's shield so it is possible, but nobody on the team you assembled has that artifact nore do they have the means to block cain's energy from him.
I know that his powers aren't infinite. I know that stronger force can override any enchantment. Do you think Classic Juggs could take a punch from let's say P/G WM Thor? Or beat thor in a prolonged confrontation?
and thor was only able to block new energy from coming to him, he was still strong and durable from the energies he absorbed, thor only "turned off" his forcefield.