Originally posted by NewjakAnd this is confirmed that he was weak? Because Cain was only weak because of the other dimension. As soon as he returned he should have been back at full power.
Actually Onslaught did it when Cain was still weak just coming back from another dimension.And no Herald level being has over ridden the enchantment. Not Dr. Strange, not Thor, not even Nightmare.
Originally posted by fangirl101
And this is confirmed that he was weak? Because Cain was only weak because of the other dimension. As soon as he returned he should have been back at full power.
Lets put it this way, Onslaught on two occasions in two different comics said Juggernaut is indestructible and can't be killed as long as he is bonded to his power. So it would makes sense that he was still weak from the other dimension so that Onslaught could use he forefinger and thumb to pluck the gem out. I highly doubt those two fingers are that much stronger than the likes of Thor and Hulk.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Lets put it this way, Onslaught on two occasions in two different comics said Juggernaut is indestructible and can't be killed as long as he is bonded to his power. So it would makes sense that he was still weak from the other dimension so that Onslaught could use he forefinger and thumb to pluck the gem out. I highly doubt those two fingers are that much stronger than the likes of Thor and Hulk.
What onslaught said is of no consequence to what he did. There is no proof that juggs was weak from coming back from the other place. The other place immediately depowered him because of it's properties. Which means upon returning to marvel u, he would have been Immediately repowered.
Originally posted by fangirl101
What onslaught said is of no consequence to what he did. There is no proof that juggs was weak from coming back from the other place. The other place immediately depowered him because of it's properties. Which means upon returning to marvel u, he would have been Immediately repowered.
That doesn't mean he would have been immediately repowered. When he was in the gem he got his power back.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That doesn't mean he would have been immediately repowered. When he was in the gem he got his power back.
It's up to you to say prove that he wasn't at full power. Prove it. Did he slowly lose power when entering the malibu u? Nope. It was at half immediately. As it was with sienna blaze as well.
Originally posted by fangirl101Correction he didn't learn he was half power until he tested it out.
It's up to you to say prove that he wasn't at full power. Prove it. Did he slowly lose power when entering the malibu u? Nope. It was at half immediately. As it was with sienna blaze as well.
And he showed to be a lot weaker than half by the end of the series before he got returned. He was being cut by a monster. 😉
Originally posted by Newjak
Correction he didn't learn he was half power until he tested it out.And he showed to be a lot weaker than half by the end of the series before he got returned. He was being cut by a monster. 😉
Well you are either absolutely invulnerable or you are not. There is no such thing as half invulnerble. I assume he was just uber tough at that point.
Originally posted by fangirl101You can not be half invulnerable but you can be working on half your normal steam and power.
Well you are either absolutely invulnerable or you are not. There is no such thing as half invulnerble. I assume he was just uber tough at that point.
Cain's enchantment was effectively cut off from him. Which means no unstoppability, no invulnerability, no unlimited strength. Like in his depowered form all Cain would have been doing was going off the rest of the magical energies that was reserved in his body.
By the time he was at the end he would have been at far less than half his base level power.
Originally posted by Newjak
You can not be half invulnerable but you can be working on half your normal steam and power.Cain's enchantment was effectively cut off from him. Which means no unstoppability, no invulnerability, no unlimited strength. Like in his depowered form all Cain would have been doing was going off the rest of the magical energies that was reserved in his body.
By the time he was at the end he would have been at far less than half his base level power.
Ok, didnt' you say in another thread that the moment flash drains his momentum he would just tap into an infinite reserve of momentum? that would mean the moment he came back to the marvel u, he would get his powers right back. Thanks for shooting your own argument in the foot.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok, didnt' you say in another thread that the moment flash drains his momentum he would just tap into an infinite reserve of momentum? that would mean the moment he came back to the marvel u, he would get his powers right back. Thanks for shooting your own argument in the foot.
That's not shooting down his own argument. You are assuming that once he returned to the regular universe he would get he powers back because if it. If something prevented him drawing power in the other universe, that doesn't mean it was only applied in that universe. In a later issue he was in the gem and was still being hurt. His body and soul were placed in there. He was taking damage and then fought an avatar of Cyttorak and gained his power back.
Originally posted by fangirl101He would and I didn't.
Ok, didnt' you say in another thread that the moment flash drains his momentum he would just tap into an infinite reserve of momentum? that would mean the moment he came back to the marvel u, he would get his powers right back. Thanks for shooting your own argument in the foot.
Cause as Cain said in his post-romance convo with She-Hulk, Cyttorak had been draining Cain after he had attacked him.
It just so happens that the Onslaught arc took place after Cain attacked Cyttorak. 😉
So just entering into the universe wouldn't have helped him. His connection to the Crimson Cosmos would have been regained but Cyttorak wouldn't have been giving him full access. 😉
Only after going into the gem did Cyttorak allow him back full access kinda, He was still really weak and still osing power after that.
Originally posted by Newjakjugdurnaut
He would and I didn't.Cause as Cain said in his post-romance convo with She-Hulk, Cyttorak had been draining Cain after he had attacked him.
It just so happens that the Onslaught arc took place after Cain attacked Cyttorak. 😉
So just entering into the universe wouldn't have helped him. His connection to the Crimson Cosmos would have been regained but Cyttorak wouldn't have been giving him full access. 😉
Only after going into the gem did Cyttorak allow him back full access kinda, He was still really weak and still osing power after that.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Well Let's look at this now. Superman has been shown to pound on the IM and have to be BFR before he breaks him. Wondy is shown to be the only one who is able to dish it and take it along with Superman. I'd put them both at near precrisis Superman levels. with Superman being a bit more stronger and durable. I can't see WWH beating either of them at those levels. And This Alien guy is stronger than both WW and Supers. And at that point, he hadn't even turned his fur into that armor stuff.
Do you ever argue against DC characters?
Lets put it this way, Onslaught on two occasions in two different comics said Juggernaut is indestructible and can't be killed as long as he is bonded to his power. So it would makes sense that he was still weak from the other dimension so that Onslaught could use he forefinger and thumb to pluck the gem out. I highly doubt those two fingers are that much stronger than the likes of Thor and Hulk.
The funny thing is the Gem of Cyttorak was never on or in the Juggernauts body just to show you how stupid the Onslaught fight was. But anyway as I said before there is no point in debating with Fangirl. She is a biased fool who believes she knows everything. Any Marvel character you put against a DC character she will pick the DC character and find some stupid way to explain herself. In on post she said the Juggernaut wasnt really that strong just really durable which is funny since Marvel Comics states he is just as strong or stronger than a angry Hulk and classic Thor.
The Juggernaut has been reduced to a skeleton and still survived. As long as he is conneted to the source of his power he can't die. He can't be hurt by a physical force no matter how strong....this is what Marvel states and since there is nothing Konvikt could do that would hurt the Juggernaut he loses every single time.