Originally posted by iceman24567
Says you? Wolverine may be top 3 in Marvel but that says nothing about his skill compared to Batman. Batman has beaten Lady Shiva and Bronze Tiger before. Batman may not be number 3 but thats saying a lot when you look at the list of Dc martial artists. To me Batman beat Logan in the skill department not by much but by enough.
The only time Batman has beaten Lady Shiva one on one she was mind controlled. Not that impressive, and a feat he hasn't be able to replicated when both are at their best. Batman isn't on the same level as Shiva. She has said as much. Nightwing has insinuated as much.
DC's entire list (excluding Drakon who is hard to place) is composed of combatants who are equal to or inferior to Shang Chi in terms of skill. Wolverine has railed through Shang Chi in three panels; Batman (or anyone else on DC top fighter list) has accomplished a similar fight against someone that skilled. If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's.
Originally posted by srankmissingninyou must be joking
The only time Batman has beaten Lady Shiva one on one she was mind controlled. Not that impressive, and a feat he hasn't be able to replicated when both are at their best. Batman isn't on the same level as Shiva. She has said as much. Nightwing has insinuated as much.DC's entire list (excluding Drakon who is hard to place) is composed of combatants who are equal to or inferior to Shang Chi in terms of skill. Wolverine has railed through Shang Chi in three panels; Batman (or anyone else on DC top fighter list) has accomplished a similar fight against someone that skilled. If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's.
shang chi isn't even one of the top 3 fighters in marvel, he's a joke
batman would own shang in a straight up MA battle
Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
In the battle for most skilled between DC and Marvel, do the combatants have to be earth-based?The best of Marvel certainly aren't, but I think most of DC's are on earth.
I was originally only talking about Earth based MAs, but stopped using the qualifier somewhere along the line. I also left out ubre supper MA's like Stick, Ogun and the Mandarin.
Originally posted by Starscream M
you must be jokingshang chi isn't even one of the top 3 fighters in marvel, he's a joke
batman would own shang in a straight up MA battle
You are an idiot.
Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.
Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.
Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.
Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.
Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNah he would get owned by Judo Master and Karate kid in less than 2 panels. Shang Chi isn't that impressive. Cap isn't more impressive than Batman skill wise. I give Cap a slight majority because of his peak human endurance. You have to be the funniest guy on KMC now. 😆
The only time Batman has beaten Lady Shiva one on one she was mind controlled. Not that impressive, and a feat he hasn't be able to replicated when both are at their best. Batman isn't on the same level as Shiva. She has said as much. Nightwing has insinuated as much.DC's entire list (excluding Drakon who is hard to place) is composed of combatants who are equal to or inferior to Shang Chi in terms of skill. Wolverine has railed through Shang Chi in three panels; Batman (or anyone else on DC top fighter list) has accomplished a similar fight against someone that skilled. If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWow ok we can play that game Batman has taken on Amazo with a little help from Robin Batman Has also Koed Grundy and beat the stuffing out of Gorilla Grodd everybody has high feats Shang Chi in straight h2h would probably get a pair of black eyes against Batman his chi powers give him a killer edge i give you that. Oh and Batman has fought a master that trained for more than 100 years and stalemated him for about 5 panels. 🙄
You are an idiot.Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.
Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.
Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.
Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.
Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah he would get owned by Judo Master and Karate kid in less than 2 panels. Shang Chi isn't that impressive. Cap isn't more impressive than Batman skill wise. I give Cap a slight majority because of his peak human endurance. You have to be the funniest guy on KMC now. 😆
Judomaster? Her hitting Gog twice, doing no damage and then getting koed, isn't that impressive. Current Karate Kid, also isn't that impressive - Read Supergirl and the Legion of Super-heroes - he is pretty much DC's Karnak... but Shang Chi would never end up fighting him anyway.
Captain America is more skilled that Batman.
Originally posted by srankmissingnindood, if you're going to pull out a list of who's been beaten, few MA fighters if any can top Batman's feats
You are an idiot.Shang Chi is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't.
Shang Chi has beaten other fighters who are masters of every martial art... several of them... at the same time. Batman hasn't.
Shang Chi has amped his durability enough to take a direct hit from Hiriom - who with the old strong was almost as strong as the Hulk. Batman hasn't.
Shang Chi has an array of powerful chi based techniques like the Silent Scream. Batman doesn't.
Shang Chi is a monster. He isn't in Marvel's top three, because Marvel's top three is composed of people far superior to DCs.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Wow ok we can play that game Batman has taken on Amazo with a little help from Robin Batman Has also Koed Grundy and beat the stuffing out of Gorilla Grodd everybody has high feats Shang Chi in straight h2h would probably get a pair of black eyes against Batman his chi powers give him a killer edge i give you that. Oh and Batman has fought a master that trained for more than 100 years and stalemated him for about 5 panels. 🙄
Shang Chi's high end feats are directly attributed to skill; are Batman's? No. That Amazo was a chump, Batman blew his legs off for pity sake. Grundy's powerlevel fluxuaties with every resurection. Gorilla Grodd, isn't exactly known for his skills. Who is this 100 year old master you are talking about?
Originally posted by srankmissingninNah Batman is the more skilled fighter take away his serum and a bet a venom pumped Bane would break his back too.
Judomaster? Her hitting Gog twice, doing no damage and then getting koed, isn't that impressive. Current Karate Kid, also isn't that impressive - Read Supergirl and the Legion of Super-heroes - he is pretty much DC's Karnak... but Shang Chi would never end up fighting him anyway.Captain America is more skilled that Batman.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah Batman is the more skilled fighter take away his serum and a bet a venom pumped Bane would break his back too.
When Cap lost his surum he was still peak human and was busting shit up.
Anyway Captain America is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't. Captain America is widely considered to be the best fighter on Marvel Earth (excluding the aforementioned ubre super MAs), he is the top dog, he is the guy to beat. If you want to make a name for your self in DC as a Martial artist then you pick a fight with Shiva or Richard Dragon, not Batman.
Originally posted by srankmissingninShang Chi would be below Spoiler.
If Shang Chi was magically transported to DC, he'd be tied for DC's number one spot... in Marvel he is inferior to both Captain America and Wolverine. Marvel's street level martial artists are on a higher level than DC's.
See how easy it is to make bullshit bias claims at random?
Originally posted by srankmissingninI forgot his name let me look it up one second. Like i said everybody has their high end feats.
Shang Chi's high end feats are directly attributed to skill; are Batman's? No. That Amazo was a chump, Batman blew his legs off for pity sake. Grundy's powerlevel fluxuaties with every resurection. Gorilla Grodd, isn't exactly known for his skills. Who is this 100 year old master you are talking about?
Seriously, Shang Chi is a mirror image of Richard Dragon in terms of skill. That's about as close as you can get to Shang in DC comics... only Dragon can't do half the things Shang Chi can. Batman has proven unable to beat Dragon or Shiva in one on one combat when they are both at their fighting best with skill alone... and he is physically superior to them both and wears body armor. Marvel's top tiers have beaten Shang Chi. When Zaran needed to improve his cred after Shang Chi kicked his ass, he knew he'd need to beat an even more skilled opponent so he challenged Captain America.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo he is not a master of every martial art? Show me a scan of that or something he may be adept but not a master i may be wrong but i doubt it.
When Cap lost his surum he was still peak human and was busting shit up.Anyway Captain America is a master of every martial art. Batman isn't. Captain America is widely considered to be the best fighter on Marvel Earth (excluding the aforementioned ubre super MAs), he is the top dog, he is the guy to beat. If you want to make a name for your self in DC as a Martial artist then you pick a fight with Shiva or Richard Dragon, not Batman.
Originally posted by Starscream M
wow, we actually have a Shang Chi fanboy on KMC...I've seen everything and can die a content man
Raise your hands if you've read enough of Shang Chi's comics to know what you are talking about.
*raises hand*
Raise your hands if you haven't ever read a single comic with Shang Chi in and are talking out of your ass
... You can raise your hand now Masterbruce