Colossus vs Namor

Colossus. On land, Namor really doesn't have anything that Colossus hasn't seen before. Yea, he's far faster than Colossus, but Namor's been caught before. As soon as Colossus gets his hands on him, it's going to be quite the bad day for Namor.

And in water? Well, Colossus doesn't need to breathe and doesn't lose any durability when underwater. And yes, I know that Namor is near-unbeatable in the water. But really, what's he gonna do to Colossus? Seriously, I'm curious as to what Namor has in his arsenal that can actually take out Colossus. Cuz I don't believe he has such an attack.

I see this as:

On land-- Colossus 7-8/10.
In water-- Colossus/Namor 5/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Colossus. On land, Namor really doesn't have anything that Colossus hasn't seen before. Yea, he's far faster than Colossus, but Namor's been caught before. As soon as Colossus gets his hands on him, it's going to be quite the bad day for Namor.

And in water? Well, Colossus doesn't need to breathe and doesn't lose any durability when underwater. And yes, I know that Namor is near-unbeatable in the water. But really, what's he gonna do to Colossus? Seriously, I'm curious as to what Namor has in his arsenal that can actually take out Colossus. Cuz I don't believe he has such an attack.

I see this as:

On land-- Colossus 7-8/10.
In water-- Colossus/Namor 5/10.

In water, Namor is FAR more agile and maneuverable than Colossus and would never be touched.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The only edge I see Namor has is speed.

Colossus:

Intel.-2
Strength-6
Speed-3
Durabilty-6
Energy proj.-1
Fighting skills-4

Namor:

Intel.-2
Strength-6
Speed-3
Durability-6
Energy proj.-2
Fighting skills-3

Those stats are from the handbooks wich alot of people disregard.

On land I say 50/50. In water Colossus will do better than most guys cause he does not breathe but Namor will beat him in water.

I disregard them because they contradict comics, and comics always go above handbooks in canon.

In comics, Namor has greater strenght feats, greater intelligence feats, greater speed feats, greater fighting skill feats...

All Colossus has is durability. On land, Namor is still stronger, FAR faster, far more agile, faaaaaaaaar more experienced, far more skilled....Colossus can't do anything...even if he got his hands to Namor, Namor would just use his better skills to get rid of him. And he is stronger then Colossus too.

Namor 8/10 on land. Colossus is durable, but he can't take pounding from a guy who can deck Beta Ray Bill with one punch and cause earthquakes with his punches forever (and those are just one of the feats that Colossus has nothing to compare with). And let's also note that Namor could land more then one punch like that in second if he wished.

Originally posted by Accel
On land, Namor is still stronger than Colossus and has taken blows from Thor and Hulk without much trouble.

In water, Namor is FAR more agile and maneuverable than Colossus and would never be touched.

On land, Namor is not stronger than Colossus. If anything, I'd say their equal. Colossus has also taken blows from Juggernaut and Gladiator and gotten back up and put up great fights against both. And people tend to think that Colossus is some lumbering oath. When transformed, he's actually quite fast, both in terms of speed and reflexes. And he's far more agile than most give him credit for, as he's displayed over the years. And, of course, a very well-trained fighter that has surprised many of his enemies before.

And in the water, I know Namor is far more agile, maneuverable, and faster. But still, what is he going to do? That's my question. I can't think of anything that Namor can do, even underwater, that will take out Colossus.

Hey, DC. I think this is going to turn into a you vs. me thread, haha. And you know that I truly do understand and respect Namor, so don't think I don't. Alas, I am not backing down, my friend.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
On land, Namor is not stronger than Colossus. If anything, I'd say their equal. Colossus has also taken blows from Juggernaut and Gladiator and gotten back up and put up great fights against both. And people tend to think that Colossus is some lumbering oath. When transformed, he's actually quite fast, both in terms of speed and reflexes. And he's far more agile than most give him credit for, as he's displayed over the years. And, of course, a very well-trained fighter that has surprised many of his enemies before.

And in the water, I know Namor is far more agile, maneuverable, and faster. But still, what is he going to do? That's my question. I can't think of anything that Namor can do, even underwater, that will take out Colossus.

If Namor is straight from water (which I think he is) he is stronger then Colossus on land too.

And plain old beating will take out Colossus, on land or on sea. He has been beaten by physical attacks before.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If Namor is straight from water (which I think he is) he is stronger then Colossus on land too.

ANd plain old beating will take out Colossus. He has been beaten by physical attacks before.

By people far stronger than he, however. Yes, Gladiator and Juggernaut have taken him down physically, but their really leagues away in strength. And yet Colossus still hangs with them for a long, extensive fight.

I know how strong Namor is straight out of the water, but I'm not convinced that he's stronger than Colossus. I would definitely say they are basically equivalent in strength.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
By people far stronger than he, however. Yes, Gladiator and Juggernaut have taken him down physically, but their really leagues away in strength. And yet Colossus still hangs with them for a long, extensive fight.

Namor goes toe to toe physically with the likes of Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. A big difference.

Namor will just have to hit him more times then Gladiator and Juggernaut. With his hand speeds, I think few freighter toppling, building destroying, Nebulon decking punches per second should do the trick.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I know how strong Namor is straight out of the water, but I'm not convinced that he's stronger than Colossus. I would definitely say they are basically equivalent in strength.

I am convinced. He has far greater strength feats. Greater lifting feats, greater punching feats, greater fighting feats, feats that just put him to another level.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Colossus hangs with them.

Namor goes toe to toe physically with the likes of Thor, Hulk and Iron Man. A big difference.

Namor will just have to hit him more times then Gladiator and Juggernaut. With his hand speeds, I think few freighter toppling, building destroying, Nebulon decking punches per second should do the trick.

I am convinced. He has far greater strength feats. Greater lifting feats, greater punching feats, greater fighting feats, feats that just put him to another level.

Yea. Colossus hangs with them. While I don't believe for one second that Namor could do the same against Juggernaut or Gladiator. I'm just calling it like I see it, man. You know I understand and respect Namor.

Colossus also went toe-to-toe with Iron Man and seemed to have quite the strength advantage over him when he had him in that hold. I just wish 616 Colossus had more showings than he does, to show off his awesome strength.

Colossus also lasted almost a full, complete round with Champion as well, staying in there and fully taking on un-pulled punches from Champion. He went down, yes, but he took a crap-load of punishment before. I don't think that Namor can produce the same amount of punishment that Champion dealt him.

And Colossus has taken all sorts of punishment before. A vast assortment of explosions, raging infernos, super-sharp objects, extremely high falls, very powerful magic, and a plethora of unique mutant powers that's just shrugged off. Sure, Namor can hit him super fast, many more times than Colossus can hit him. But when Colossus gets his hits in, they will definitely count. Don't get wrong, I know that Namor's durability is high as well, just not nearly as high as Colossus's. So while Namor can dish it out just as good, he can't take it nearly as well.

Anyway. On land, I believe Colossus wins 7/10.
Assuming there's water involved, I still believe 5/10 or a stalemate, mainly because I don't believe Namor can put him down, even underwater.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea. Colossus hangs with them. While I don't believe for one second that Namor could do the same against Juggernaut or Gladiator. I'm just calling it like I see it, man. You know I understand and respect Namor.

Yeah, I know that.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Colossus also went toe-to-toe with Iron Man and seemed to have quite the strength advantage over him when he had him in that hold. I just wish 616 Colossus had more showings than he does, to show off his awesome strength.

Namor has always shown to have a strength advantage over Iron Man...it is his weapons which usually do stuff like dehydrate him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Colossus also lasted almost a full, complete round with Champion as well, staying in there and fully taking on un-pulled punches from Champion. He went down, yes, but he took a crap-load of punishment before. I don't think that Namor can produce the same amount of punishment that Champion dealt him.

Champion did not have Power Gem, though. He's not that strong and tough without it. 😬

Didn't Thing do even better against Champ?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And Colossus has taken all sorts of punishment before. A vast assortment of explosions, raging infernos, super-sharp objects, extremely high falls, very powerful magic, and a plethora of unique mutant powers that's just shrugged off. Sure, Namor can hit him super fast, many more times than Colossus can hit him. But when Colossus gets his hits in, they will definitely count. Don't get wrong, I know that Namor's durability is high as well, just not nearly as high as Colossus's. So while Namor can dish it out just as good, he can't take it nearly as well.

Indeed, but so has Namor. I know Colossus is durable. More durable then Namor. I've admitted that. But he has been taken down by physical things before. Namor has shown that he is strong enough to go toe to toe with people who are over Colossus's class. He has been able to hurt the likes of Thor, Beta Ray Bill and Hulk with his punches. He was able to topple an entire skyscraper-sized building with a single punch, and he was not even punching it's foundations. His punches were able to move hundreds of thousands of tons (Doctor Doom's floating city, the bottle they were inside, and thousands of tons of water). When he was weakened, he was able to cause island spanning earthquakes. He has knocked out the Hulk. Shattered titanium-

Can Colossus take one punch from Namor? Yes, with ease. Ten? Yes. But what about fifty? A hundred? All landed to vunerable places in very short time? Don't get me wrong, Colossus is durable. But in the fights he's been in, only few punches have been landed at him. Namor, however, if he uses his speed, can land five punches in something like a second.

Colossus can punch back, but Namor is stronger(know you don't like it, but he has proven this through feats😬), more experienced, faster and more skilled. Colossus's punches are not much compared to most punches Namor has blocked/dodged/taken. He's fought and taken punches beings that are both stronger and more skilled then Colossus.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Anyway. On land, I believe Colossus wins 7/10.
Assuming there's water involved, I still believe 5/10 or a stalemate, mainly because I don't believe Namor can put him down, even underwater.

In the end, Colossus can land only so few punches, and Namor can take them. Whereas Namor will land harder punches at more faster rate. Colossus is good, but when it comes to experience in slugging it out, Namor has been doing it before he has been born. Namor takes this 8/10 on land, seeing has durability is the only thing Colossus has advantage, and Namor has advantage on everything else.

In water, he will defeat him in same way, only that in there, Colossus won't land single punch, Namor will always be on top notch condition with his punches always being as strong. On water, its 9-10/10 for Namor.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, I know that.

Namor has always shown to have a strength advantage over Iron Man...it is his weapons which usually do stuff like dehydrate him.

Champion did not have Power Gem, though. He's not that strong and tough without it. 😬

Didn't Thing do even better against Champ?

Indeed, but so has Namor. I know Colossus is durable. More durable then Namor. I've admitted that. But he has been taken down by physical things before. Namor has shown that he is strong enough to go toe to toe with people who are over Colossus's class. He has been able to hurt the likes of Thor, Beta Ray Bill and Hulk with his punches. He was able to topple an entire skyscraper-sized building with a single punch, and he was not even punching it's foundations. His punches were able to move hundreds of thousands of tons (Doctor Doom's floating city, the bottle they were inside, and thousands of tons of water). When he was weakened, he was able to cause island spanning earthquakes. He has knocked out the Hulk. Shattered titanium-

Can Colossus take one punch from Namor? Yes, with ease. Ten? Yes. But what about fifty? A hundred? All landed to vunerable places in very short time? Don't get me wrong, Colossus is durable. But in the fights he's been in, only few punches have been landed at him. Namor, however, if he uses his speed, can land five punches in something like a second.

Colossus can punch back, but Namor is stronger(know you don't like it, but he has proven this through feats😬), more experienced, faster and more skilled. Colossus's punches are not much compared to most punches Namor has blocked/dodged/taken. He's fought and taken punches beings that are both stronger and more skilled then Colossus.

In the end, Colossus can land only so few punches, and Namor can take them. Whereas Namor will land harder punches at more faster rate. Colossus is good, but when it comes to experience in slugging it out, Namor has been doing it before he has been born. Namor takes this 8/10 on land, seeing has durability is the only thing Colossus has advantage, and Namor has advantage on everything else.

In water, he will defeat him in same way, only that in there, Colossus won't land single punch, Namor will always be on top notch condition with his punches always being as strong. On water, its 9-10/10 for Namor.

If Colossus had even half of the spotlight that Namor had/has, you would see many more feats of strength on his part. But, since he's been cast aside by more popular characters, it's very rare when you see a great strength feat from him. He was once able to breach a seemingly impenetratable force with shear strength alone. This was a powerful force that several of his fellow X-Men as well as Dr. Strange could not breach. I think that's saying something.

And when his adrenaline kicks in, Colossus can become even stronger, gaining more power with rage as previous comic evidence has shown (not like the Hulk, but you get the picture).

And when he fought Gladiator, doesn't it seem logical and make sense that Glads would've been using his super-speed to lay more punches into Colossus? An opponent that was hanging with him and giving him a real tough fight? I think so. Yea, Glads took him down. But not after an epic battle between the two.

In the Champion fight, I don't recall whether or not he had the Power Gem. But even still, Champion was extremely powerful, so it's not like he was at Squid Boy strength when he finally put Colossus down. And yea, Thing did better than Colossus (if I recall correctly, wasn't it in his own comic, too? ["The Thing"]), but it really wasn't much of a better showing.

One way I see Colossus able to win is by a choke-out. As fast as Namor is, with Colossus's durability and ability to take massive amounts of physical abuse from Namor, Colossus will eventually get his hands on him. And instead of puinching him, he can always just go straight for the throat with both hands and clench it with all his strength. Even Namor has to breathe (whether underwater or not). This can be done underwater, too. 'Specially since I don't recall Namor ever having gills, so closing his throat would still cause suffocation. I don't believe Namor has the strength to make Colossus release his grip. And even though you disagree, I believe they of the same strength level. Both mid-Class 100s.

I also seem to recall that Namor hurt himself pretty badly when Spidey coaxed him into flying through the smoke stacks of a ship. I know that Namor was out of the water for some time, but that move really damaged Namor and basically took him out the fight. On land, this fight could easily end up the same way, with Namor getting weaker and weaker, especially after he expends so much energy trying to put Colossus down. When he's weakened, Colosuss can dish out even more damage even faster since Namor would have trouble escaping.

And since the thread-starter didn't specifically mention the battlefield, I assume it's land. And so, I believe Colossus wins 7/10.

I disregard them because they contradict comics, and comics always go above handbooks in canon.

That's true. To a degree. IMO Official stats are there to show the character's limits, and the feats in the comics are there to fill the requirements.

I mean, not everything can be regarded as "canon". Hulk lifting a mountain, wolverine surviving a huge blast. Etc. Some people don't really have PIS feats, mostly because they don't have enough showings.

What's Namor's top feat (Strength wise) And what's Colossus' top feat (Strength wise again) Btw, how great is Namor's endurance? Does he tire, does he need to eat, does he need to take a wee?

And since the thread-starter didn't specifically mention the battlefield, I assume it's land. And so, I believe Colossus wins 7/10.

Here's what I wrote on the first page : Aren't all fights located in central park unless the author says differently.. *Cough* rules *cough*.

Namor takes it to Collosus................7/10 on land.

Originally posted by Jyppe
What's Namor's top feat (Strength wise) And what's Colossus' top feat (Strength wise again) Btw, how great is Namor's endurance? Does he tire, does he need to eat, does he need to take a wee? [/B]

Thank you, Jyppe, I almost forgot another advantage Colossus has against Namor.

Colossus has nigh-limitless endurance/stamina and doesn't need to eat, drink, or breathe. Namor, on the other hand, while having superhuman endurance/stamina, will eventually tire before Colossus, as well as need to eat/drink/breathe (whether underwater or not), and yes, I assume he'll have to make a tinkle at some time.

Originally posted by Jyppe
That's true. To a degree. IMO Official stats are there to show the character's limits, and the feats in the comics are there to fill the requirements.
[/B]

Even after character has done feats greater then handbooks state before handbooks were even created? 🤨

May I ask you, what do you think the handbooks base their bios on?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If Colossus had even half of the spotlight that Namor had/has, you would see many more feats of strength on his part. But, since he's been cast aside by more popular characters, it's very rare when you see a great strength feat from him. He was once able to breach a seemingly impenetratable force with shear strength alone. This was a powerful force that several of his fellow X-Men as well as Dr. Strange could not breach. I think that's saying something.

Yes, but then again, Namor has feats of breaking a forcefield that Strange's spells or Hulk's blows were not able to break, fighting against interdimensional hurricane that Silver Surfer, Strange and Hulk were powerless, breaking the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, knocking out the Hulk with a single punch...

I agree that if Colossus would have more spotlight, he would have more feats. But as for now, he has nothing to show that he would be close to Namor in strenght.

Namor is stronger.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And when his adrenaline kicks in, Colossus can become even stronger, gaining more power with rage as previous comic evidence has shown (not like the Hulk, but you get the picture).

Adrenaline makes everyone stronger. Namor included-

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And when he fought Gladiator, doesn't it seem logical and make sense that Glads would've been using his super-speed to lay more punches into Colossus? An opponent that was hanging with him and giving him a real tough fight? I think so. Yea, Glads took him down. But not after an epic battle between the two.

Gladiator did not seem to use his speed at all. And the fight lasted for one page and Gladiator was smiling all the time. It wasn't really epic to me. 😬

Originally posted by Metalmanx
In the Champion fight, I don't recall whether or not he had the Power Gem. But even still, Champion was extremely powerful, so it's not like he was at Squid Boy strength when he finally put Colossus down. And yea, Thing did better than Colossus (if I recall correctly, wasn't it in his own comic, too? ["The Thing"]), but it really wasn't much of a better showing.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
One way I see Colossus able to win is by a choke-out. As fast as Namor is, with Colossus's durability and ability to take massive amounts of physical abuse from Namor, Colossus will eventually get his hands on him. And instead of puinching him, he can always just go straight for the throat with both hands and clench it with all his strength. Even Namor has to breathe (whether underwater or not). This can be done underwater, too. 'Specially since I don't recall Namor ever having gills, so closing his throat would still cause suffocation. I don't believe Namor has the strength to make Colossus release his grip. And even though you disagree, I believe they of the same strength level. Both mid-Class 100s.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I also seem to recall that Namor hurt himself pretty badly when Spidey coaxed him into flying through the smoke stacks of a ship. I know that Namor was out of the water for some time, but that move really damaged Namor and basically took him out the fight. On land, this fight could easily end up the same way, with Namor getting weaker and weaker, especially after he expends so much energy trying to put Colossus down. When he's weakened, Colosuss can dish out even more damage even faster since Namor would have trouble escaping.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And since the thread-starter didn't specifically mention the battlefield, I assume it's land. And so, I believe Colossus wins 7/10.

With Namor having far greater feats in anything exept durability that really is not happening. Colossus's durability is not great enough that Namor could not overcome them. Beta Ray Bill, Thor, Hulk, and other characters who have feats ranging from taking nuclear bombs to being next to the Sun have felt his punches. Colossus will be no exeption.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Thank you, Jyppe, I almost forgot another advantage Colossus has against Namor.

Colossus has nigh-limitless endurance/stamina and doesn't need to eat, drink, or breathe. Namor, on the other hand, while having superhuman endurance/stamina, will eventually tire before Colossus, as well as need to eat/drink/breathe (whether underwater or not), and yes, I assume he'll have to make a tinkle at some time.

It's not like this fight will last hours.

I'd say 50-100 punches would drop Colossus.

wow piotr is really being slept on in this thread. look here's the deal in water its 70-30 tipping in Namor's favor, but on land its 60-40 for colossus. colossus is no punk roun' here dudes. its not like when he was a teenager and was at class 70, now that he's a grown adult he's class100, plus the fact that after his "death" ord was mucking with his genes that made him a little stronger, class100 plus if you will.

recently in the new"new xmen" he effortlessly, key word effortlessly, repelled Hellion's massive rage driven telekinetic field while taking on all the other students in the danger room, so he's no stranger to massive forces. other than if they're fighting under water where namor is in his element i dont see any outright advantage that he has over piotr. they are just gonna slug it out like two super strong characters would. smacking each other around and cuasing massive amounts of properrty damage. but from a fundamental point of view Namor, while really resilient, is no hulk when it comes to endurance---meaning that fatigue poisons will build up in him significantly faster than colossus.

in fact it usually says in colossus profiles that he can perform at "optimum levels for days BEFORE fatigue poisons START to build up in his body" while with Namor if he doesnt submerge himself for a recharge, within a WEEK he's at almost human levels, so after a few hours(which is what i would assume a battle like this would last) a combination of him being out of water, and the physical exertion of fighting someone who matches him in physical might, his strentgh would decrease at a more accelerated rate, than if he were just chilling at his manhattan penthouse--so if you ppl think that namor is just gonna get out of water and then BANG!-- ZING!--POW--KURPLUNCH! and down goes colossus you're f ****ing crazy 🙄

Oooooh, he's calling you out DC. 😉

My favorite comic is the one where Namor walks into Matt Murdock's office and tells everyone he is gonna sue the entire human race. And everyones like what?

Originally posted by manjaro
other than if they're fighting under water where namor is in his element i dont see any outright advantage that he has over piotr.

Man, I don't know, how about...

Speed:
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3664/namorfeat31lb.gif
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif
http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/152/namorspeedfeat318vl.gif

Strength:
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4655/hulk1998p266qo.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/7325/namorfeat393lr.gif
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6122/namorfeat966tw.gif

Fighting skills:
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=mj4vmp
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9769/namorskills202rk.gif
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorddspidey16pb.gif

Experience:
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5742/namorskills18xu.gif

Intelligence:
http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/3104/namorfeat1108ky.gif

wow piotr is really being slept on in this thread. look here's the deal in water its 70-30 tipping in Namor's favor, but on land its 60-40 for colossus. colossus is no punk roun' here dudes. its not like when he was a teenager and was at class 70, now that he's a grown adult he's class100, plus the fact that after his "death" ord was mucking with his genes that made him a little stronger, class100 plus if you will.

Uhh...no...Ord was testing him to make "The Cure" for the mutantkind...where did you get this infomation? There is no "Class 100+", and Colossus has not shown anything to be more then low-mid tier one.

recently in the new"new xmen" he effortlessly, key word effortlessly, repelled Hellion's massive rage driven telekinetic field while taking on all the other students in the danger room, so he's no stranger to massive forces. other than if they're fighting under water where namor is in his element i dont see any outright advantage that he has over piotr. they are just gonna slug it out like two super strong characters would. smacking each other around and cuasing massive amounts of properrty damage. but from a fundamental point of view Namor, while really resilient, is no hulk when it comes to endurance---meaning that fatigue poisons will build up in him significantly faster than colossus.

Wow. Hellion.

Namor has released himself from Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, created by DOCTOR STRANGE. Namor's endurance is also great. He went toe to toe with Hulk for an entire issue in New York City. If he has his black costume (which is his current one) he will go along even longer.

in fact it usually says in colossus profiles that he can perform at "optimum levels for days BEFORE fatigue poisons START to build up in his body" while with Namor if he doesnt submerge himself for a recharge, within a WEEK he's at almost human levels, so after a few hours(which is what i would assume a battle like this would last) a combination of him being out of water, and the physical exertion of fighting someone who matches him in physical might, his strentgh would decrease at a more accelerated rate, than if he were just chilling at his manhattan penthouse--so if you ppl think that namor is just gonna get out of water and then BANG!-- ZING!--POW--KURPLUNCH! and down goes colossus you're f ****ing crazy

I think this fight will last twenty minutes at most. Namor has every imaginable advantage over Colossus, including his speed, which he can use to rain multiple Beta Ray Bill decking punches per second straight to Colossus's face if he wishes. Colossus won't match him in physical might at all, as their feats have shown.

Namor= More stronger, smarter, better fighter, more experienced, faster...

Colossus: More durable

See the difference?