Colossus vs Namor

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Alot of people think Namor is stronger. Well being they want actually comic feats etc. rather than handbooks that's fine. Ok, now here's why I think Colossus is stronger than Namor and I am backing this up with logic and comic evidence. Now Namor has lifted all of those boats and submarines etc. with the help of bouyancy. That's fine. But the best way to gauge strength is to compare head to head feats rather than saying Namor has lifted this and liftd that. How do we know Colossus cannot lift the things Namor did? He never tried! It's rather simple.

Now on to the fun part. Ok, now anybody remember the time Thing overpowered Namor? Yea, he pulled Namor OUT OF THE WATER and onto the shore. That is overpowering somebody and proving your stronger. Now I remember a time when Thing and Colossus armwrestled. They went 2 out of 3 and they were ties and one each but at the start of the third match Kitty distracted Colossus and made him loose the third match. Well that was in 1982 and Colossus has been upgraded in strength since then by Magneto which has been mentioned many times in comics. Now Thing was class 85 back then and has not been upgraded OFFICIALY. Now that shows that Thing has shown to be stronger than Namor. And it also shows that Thing and a teenage Colossus are equal in strength. And now that Colossus has been upgraded from Magneto and reach maturity I think it's safe to say Colossus is stronger than Namor.

Now on to fighting skills. Namor has level 3 fighting and Colossus has level 4 for a reason. Colossus trained every day sometimes twice a day in the highest tech training facility in all of comics. I can show scans all day of Colossus training. Can anybody show AS MANY scans of Namor training as hard as Colossus? I don't think so.

Durabilty isn't worth debating cause Colossus has that edge.

Speed I give to Namor. But Colossus is not slouch there himself.

Agility is pretty close. Colossus has shown some good agility/leaping feats.

Stamina Colossus can go all day and maybe a little longer. If Namor does not have his little black suit on he will loose power pretty fast. Like when he had to have Captain Marvel help him fly that metal object.

On land I say Colossus and Namor split or slight edge to Colossus.

Water I give to Namor but he'll have to work for it.

Not exactly a complete science...

The THING has stalemated both THOR and Herc in armwrestling does that mean that he's as strong as either of those two?

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excactly!!!

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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It's nice to see that your FANBOYness hasn't stopped you from being impartial.

The real score is:

Land Namor 8/10

Water 10/10

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Alot of people think Namor is stronger. Well being they want actually comic feats etc. rather than handbooks that's fine. Ok, now here's why I think Colossus is stronger than Namor and I am backing this up with logic and comic evidence. Now Namor has lifted all of those boats and submarines etc. with the help of bouyancy. That's fine. But the best way to gauge strength is to compare head to head feats rather than saying Namor has lifted this and liftd that. How do we know Colossus cannot lift the things Namor did? He never tried! It's rather simple.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now on to the fun part. Ok, now anybody remember the time Thing overpowered Namor? Yea, he pulled Namor OUT OF THE WATER and onto the shore. That is overpowering somebody and proving your stronger. Now I remember a time when Thing and Colossus armwrestled. They went 2 out of 3 and they were ties and one each but at the start of the third match Kitty distracted Colossus and made him loose the third match. Well that was in 1982 and Colossus has been upgraded in strength since then by Magneto which has been mentioned many times in comics. Now Thing was class 85 back then and has not been upgraded OFFICIALY. Now that shows that Thing has shown to be stronger than Namor. And it also shows that Thing and a teenage Colossus are equal in strength. And now that Colossus has been upgraded from Magneto and reach maturity I think it's safe to say Colossus is stronger than Namor.

This also implies that Namor was also Class 85 or weaker, which Dc has proved many times to be false.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now on to fighting skills. Namor has level 3 fighting and Colossus has level 4 for a reason. Colossus trained every day sometimes twice a day in the highest tech training facility in all of comics. I can show scans all day of Colossus training. Can anybody show AS MANY scans of Namor training as hard as Colossus? I don't think so.

Originally posted by manjaro
on a side note i always find it to be quite hilarious that ppl on these boards only disreagrd handbooks when its their guy that looks bad 😄

Originally posted by Accel

Namor has better feats and has proved he's around top-tier in strength. Colossus COULD be at his level, but without the proper feats, we can't just go in with speculation.

Originally posted by Accel

Yeah, I remember that. Remember all those times where Namor overpowered Thing?

Originally posted by Accel

And as DC has pointed out numerous times, Namor has been trained by Atlantis's greatest warriors since he was a kid.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Alot of people think Namor is stronger. Well being they want actually comic feats etc. rather than handbooks that's fine. Ok, now here's why I think Colossus is stronger than Namor and I am backing this up with logic and comic evidence. Now Namor has lifted all of those boats and submarines etc. with the help of bouyancy. That's fine. But the best way to gauge strength is to compare head to head feats rather than saying Namor has lifted this and liftd that. How do we know Colossus cannot lift the things Namor did? He never tried! It's rather simple.

Actually...no. Bouycancy would help if HE WAS NOT UNDER tons of pressure, and seeing as he moves the things he lifts, he needs to displace hundreds of tons of water. Bouyancy won't have anything to do with that.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now on to the fun part. Ok, now anybody remember the time Thing overpowered Namor? Yea, he pulled Namor OUT OF THE WATER and onto the shore. That is overpowering somebody and proving your stronger. Now I remember a time when Thing and Colossus armwrestled. They went 2 out of 3 and they were ties and one each but at the start of the third match Kitty distracted Colossus and made him loose the third match. Well that was in 1982 and Colossus has been upgraded in strength since then by Magneto which has been mentioned many times in comics. Now Thing was class 85 back then and has not been upgraded OFFICIALY. Now that shows that Thing has shown to be stronger than Namor. And it also shows that Thing and a teenage Colossus are equal in strength. And now that Colossus has been upgraded from Magneto and reach maturity I think it's safe to say Colossus is stronger than Namor.

Yippee, let's all use ONE 60's Fantastic Four comic to prove that Thing is stronger. Let's ignore the facts that Namor has knocked out Thing with one move...THREE times. Let's ignore the fact that Namor was portrayed as a weakling compared to his current status then. And let's ignore all the other showings where Namor's strength has been shown to move around Thing like nothing.

I know! I'll do the same!

See! This is Colossus being hurt by Iron Man's repulsor blasts!
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7493/colossushurt4pz.jpg

And here is Namor taking full dose of them and he is unhurt! See! See?
!http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2789/namorfeat1111ip.gif

I hereby now declare that Namor is more durable then Colossus!

Yay, we should all base our debates and cling to one scan...

...or let's not. Why? Because every character has low showings. Colossus has other durability feats that put him above being hurt by Iron Man's repulsor blasts. Namor has other other feats that show that his strenght is above being dragged out from sea by Thing. And feats that put him way above Colossus in strength.

Using one showing as the basis of your entire point is...uhh...a very bad thing.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now on to fighting skills. Namor has level 3 fighting and Colossus has level 4 for a reason. Colossus trained every day sometimes twice a day in the highest tech training facility in all of comics. I can show scans all day of Colossus training. Can anybody show AS MANY scans of Namor training as hard as Colossus? I don't think so.

Can I show Namor training in a gym? No. Because unlike Colossus, he has honed his skills from eighty-five years of endless battle alongside training. Can I show you scans of Namor fighting people that Colossus won't have a chance of being equal in fight? Hell yeah. Can I show you scans of Namor stating that he has skills because he has been fighting his entire life? Of course I can. Can I show scans of Namor stating that Judo (Colossus's main fighting style, by the way) is primitive fighting art? You bet your head that I can!

Now, can you show me even half as many scans of Colossus fighting (and being pretty much equal with) opponents that Namor has fought? No, you can't. Because Namor has been fighting for longer then Colossus can even dream of. He's fought gods when Colossus's grandfather was still in his diapers. He's fought interdimensional demons before Colossus's father was even old enough to legally have sex. His experience AND skills absolutely DWARF Colossus's, and he has fights and feats to show that.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Durabilty isn't worth debating cause Colossus has that edge.

Neither are any other things besides durability.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Speed I give to Namor. But Colossus is not slouch there himself.

Agility is pretty close. Colossus has shown some good agility/leaping feats.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Stamina Colossus can go all day and maybe a little longer. If Namor does not have his little black suit on he will loose power pretty fast. Like when he had to have Captain Marvel help him fly that metal object.

Low showing syndroma is something that you have problems with, have you?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
On land I say Colossus and Namor split or slight edge to Colossus.

And I say that Namor will defeat him 8/10, because Colossus's only edge is durability, and Namor has advantage in everything else, as proven through feats.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Water I give to Namor but he'll have to work for it.

Ah, but bashing someone's head in while they are fighting in his own element is not work for Namor. It's a hobby.

Colossus has both the edge in durability AND endurance/stamina. Don't forget that. Stamina can make or break this fight. And I feel that stamina is very much-needed asset here.

Under water, Colossus really doesn't have much maneuverability, but he's still durable as hell. I'll give underwater to Namor 7/10.

On land, I'm still not convinced that Namor can defeat him the majority of the time. And it's not just because I don't want Namor to win, I truly don't think he can. Yes, he's faster and can fly. But they have basically equal strength, both being mid-Class 100s. Agility would also be on par, as well as reflexes, since all of Colossus's stats increase to superhuman levels when he transforms. And fighting skills I'd also say are too close to call, what Colossus having trained most of his life [I feel more extensive] (I know he's not as old as Namor) and Namor doing the same.

Anyway, I don't see what Namor brings on land that is something Colossus hasn't experienced before. I say Colossus wins on land 7/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Colossus has both the edge in durability AND endurance/stamina. Don't forget that. Stamina can make or break this fight. And I feel that stamina is very much-needed asset here.

Under water, Colossus really doesn't have much maneuverability, but he's still durable as hell. I'll give underwater to Namor 7/10.

Underwater, Namor would easily win 10/10. He's beaten the likes of Hulk and Abomination underwater, and clearly had the edge over Thor.

It would happen like on land, only faster.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
On land, I'm still not convinced that Namor can defeat him the majority of the time. And it's not just because I don't want Namor to win, I truly don't think he can. Yes, he's faster and can fly. But they have basically equal strength, both being mid-Class 100s. Agility would also be on par, as well as reflexes, since all of Colossus's stats increase to superhuman levels when he transforms. And fighting skills I'd also say are too close to call, what Colossus having trained most of his life [I feel more extensive] (I know he's not as old as Namor) and Namor doing the same.

Anyway, I don't see what Namor brings on land that is something Colossus hasn't experienced before. I say Colossus wins on land 7/10.

Namor has fought things for his ENTIRE life. Which would be roughly eighty-five years, seeing as his training started when he was capable of learning something, and it has been even stated that as a young boy he showed great prowess as an athlete. He's been trained in the use of nerve points, he's stated that judo is primitive, and he goes through warrior tests every year to prove that he is true leader, and in every comic he is in, he is fighting something. When he goes to war, he doesn't sit on the sidelines, he fights himself. He is the Supreme Commander of Undersea Legions, and he is the greatest warrior of Atlantis.

He is much more skilled then Colossus.

And his reflexes are also greater. Feats prove this too.

Their strength is still not equal. One feat with Thing won't prove that.

I'd say that his agility is greater too. To do the stuff he does in water and air (and ground), superior agility is needed.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4173/namorfeat1181eq.gif
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4188/namorskills228ad.png
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And Colossus durability is good, but when beings like Thor, Hulk and Silver Surfer have felt and cried out in pain when Namor has punched them, it means that Colossus will fall sooner or later. His durability is not THAT much higher then theirs. And physical things have taken him out in past (most recetly by Sebastian Shaw).

And what he brings...

Has Colossus ever defeated an guy who was stronger, smarter, better fighter, more experienced and leagues faster then he is? Ever?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Underwater, Namor would easily win 10/10. He's beaten the likes of Hulk and Abomination underwater, and clearly had the edge over Thor.

It would happen like on land, only faster.

Colossus has trained most of his life...which would be about ten years, because I think he's something like 25 now and he was roughly fifteen when he joined.

Namor has fought things for his ENTIRE life. Which would be roughly eighty-five years, seeing as his training started when he was capable of learning something, and it has been even stated that as a young boy he showed great prowess as an athlete. He's been trained in the use of nerve points, he's stated that judo is primitive, and he goes through warrior tests every year to prove that he is true leader, and in every comic he is in, he is fighting something. When he goes to war, he doesn't sit on the sidelines, he fights himself. He is the Supreme Commander of Undersea Legions, and he is the greatest warrior of Atlantis.

He is much more skilled then Colossus.

And his reflexes are also greater. Feats prove this too.

Their strength is still not equal. One feat with Thing won't prove that.

I'd say that his agility is greater too. To do the stuff he does in water and air (and ground), superior agility is needed.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4173/namorfeat1181eq.gif
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4188/namorskills228ad.png
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2339/namorfeat1243cq.gif

And Colossus durability is good, but when beings like Thor, Hulk and Silver Surfer have felt and cried out in pain when Namor has punched them, it means that Colossus will fall sooner or later. His durability is not THAT much higher then theirs. And physical things have taken him out in past (most recetly by Sebastian Shaw).

And what he brings...

Has Colossus ever defeated an guy who was stronger, smarter, better fighter, more experienced and leagues faster then he is? Ever?

Alright, DC. I concede. You win. Because of the severe lack of Colossus showings (save for the Ultimate Universe) compared to Namor's, I don't have the proper evidence necessary to counter your claims.

Namor wins.

Let's hope that he kicks ass in next Astonishing. 😬

I like his character.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Let's hope that he kicks ass in next Astonishing. 😬

I like his character.

I really like his character a lot, too, he's tied for my most favorite X-man (with Quicksilver, actually). I really hope that he kicks more ass in the future as well. Colossus gets the shaft way too often considering both his character and his powers. But hey, whatcha gonna do?

He was pretty much throwing Shaw around until he stopped to talk to him.

It was kind of stupid that he had forgotten how Shaw's powers work...from New X-Men you see that he is quite good strategist. He should have snapped his arms or something.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He was pretty much throwing Shaw around until he stopped to talk to him.

It was kind of stupid that he had forgotten how Shaw's powers work...from New X-Men you see that he is quite good strategist. He should have snapped his arms or something.

Yea, I saw the scans in the Respect thread. That really was quite lame of Colossus to let up like that when he really could've just snapped Shaw in two or something. Colossus has really grown up over the years and has become quite the tactical strategist even. Stupid writers. Can't they let Colossus have a good showing every now and then?

One has to try and imagine just how much energy Colossus gave him in order for Shaw to be able to KO him with that one blow. Crazy.

Probably pretty strong, seeing as Shaw bloodied. Rogue with She-Hulk's power absorbed hit him once (Old School She-Hulk) and Shaw did not get any wounds.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Probably pretty strong, seeing as Shaw bloodied. Rogue with She-Hulk's power absorbed hit him once (Old School She-Hulk) and Shaw did not get any wounds.

Ah. Must've been pretty powerful then on Colossus's part. But he's also got a personal grudge, so no wonder he wanted to really lay it onto Shaw.

Indeed.

Wow very nice debating DC.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Wow very nice debating DC.

Yes, it really was. Kudos, DC. I hope one day Colossus is given many, many more showings of his feats so I can bump this thread years from now and debate with you for the win. 😉

We'll see. 😄

Originally posted by nimbus006
Wow very nice debating DC.

Thanks. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Actually...no. Bouycancy would help if HE WAS NOT UNDER tons of pressure, and seeing as he moves the things he lifts, he needs to displace hundreds of tons of water. Bouyancy won't have anything to do with that.

Yippee, let's all use ONE 60's Fantastic Four comic to prove that Thing is stronger. Let's ignore the facts that Namor has knocked out Thing with one move...THREE times. Let's ignore the fact that Namor was portrayed as a weakling compared to his current status then. And let's ignore all the other showings where Namor's strength has been shown to move around Thing like nothing.

I know! I'll do the same!

See! This is Colossus being hurt by Iron Man's repulsor blasts!
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7493/colossushurt4pz.jpg

And here is Namor taking full dose of them and he is unhurt! See! See?
!http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2789/namorfeat1111ip.gif

I hereby now declare that Namor is more durable then Colossus!

Yay, we should all base our debates and cling to one scan...

...or let's not. Why? Because every character has low showings. Colossus has other durability feats that put him above being hurt by Iron Man's repulsor blasts. Namor has other other feats that show that his strenght is above being dragged out from sea by Thing. And feats that put him way above Colossus in strength.

Using one showing as the basis of your entire point is...uhh...a very bad thing.

And handbooks are disregarded here for a reason.

Can I show Namor training in a gym? No. Because unlike Colossus, he has honed his skills from eighty-five years of endless battle alongside training. Can I show you scans of Namor fighting people that Colossus won't have a chance of being equal in fight? Hell yeah. Can I show you scans of Namor stating that he has skills because he has been fighting his entire life? Of course I can. Can I show scans of Namor stating that Judo (Colossus's main fighting style, by the way) is primitive fighting art? You bet your head that I can!

Now, can you show me even half as many scans of Colossus fighting (and being pretty much equal with) opponents that Namor has fought? No, you can't. Because Namor has been fighting for longer then Colossus can even dream of. He's fought gods when Colossus's grandfather was still in his diapers. He's fought interdimensional demons before Colossus's father was even old enough to legally have sex. His experience AND skills absolutely DWARF Colossus's, and he has fights and feats to show that.

Neither are any other things besides durability.

But his speed is nothing compared to Namor's.

Agility is pretty close. Colossus has shown some good agility/leaping feats.

Low showing syndroma is something that you have problems with, have you?

And I say that Namor will defeat him 8/10, because Colossus's only edge is durability, and Namor has advantage in everything else, as proven through feats.

Ah, but bashing someone's head in while they are fighting in his own element is not work for Namor. It's a hobby.

OMG. 😆 Snoop=OWNED!!! 😎

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor has never overpowered Thing. Only in water has be beaten him in a fight.

Actually he has had some pretty impressive showings on land as well as in the water 😐

Namor has beaten Ben before on land, its just that 95% of the time Ben beats him on land and Namor beats him in water although neither of them are bad in either terrain 😉