Originally posted by StyleTime
If they had to stop to fight him, maybe. I didn't see many boulders around, but he wouldn't stop them with that. I see him taking maybe 20 out while the 3000 other sprint straight past him. If he had Gambit charged boulders....maybe.Even then, it's just three X-Men alone. Just seems inefficient to have Gambit stop to charge boulders when he could just do it himself. He's made building, and even city-block sized, explosion with single cards. Just seems smarter to let him carpet bomb from one side of the fortress. Pyro takes the middle. Psylocke takes another side.
The ground won't stay one solid piece lol.
Kitty isn't allowed to phase actual location, so she'd likely run into similar problems as Colossus and such.
Single target damage won't cut it here. The orcs don't have to stop and fight to progress. Wolverine or Colossus would **** up like 100, while 1000 sprint right by them lol. Sure, they could probably clean up later, but those others would already be inside Helm's Deep, ending the match. You have to stop all of them from setting one foot inside.
To me, the only debate to be had is which 3 out Psylocke, Gambit, Pyro, Cyclops, and Havok is best.
The numbers also fall all over themselves after a point.
There's only so many ways into the castle, so Logan, Creed, or Colossus stations at choke points outside the wall, and someone stays inside to fend off ladders and such. Think 300 Spartans hot gates strategy.
One thing to remember is that at the battle of Helms Deep there were 10,000 Uruk-Hai at a low estimate (this includes the Berserkers etc). There's only 3 mutants defending this as well. I know they are all powerful but it's not gonna be as much of a cakewalk. The whole army will charge straight away at Hornburg.
Colossus will be needed at a minimum. to fend off the large numbers. And he isn't gonna be able to occupy the whole army since they can go around him and fight the others.
Not saying the Uruks stomp but this isn't as easy as it might look initially.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
She can't phase Helms Deep but she can phase the area around it. Think outside the box
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yeah Helms Deep is the valley Hornburg is the castle.
So no phasing the place for Kitty, which would be a pretty big feat for her anyway.
Originally posted by cdtm
The numbers also fall all over themselves after a point.There's only so many ways into the castle, so Logan, Creed, or Colossus stations at choke points outside the wall, and someone stays inside to fend off ladders and such. Think 300 Spartans hot gates strategy.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot\
One thing to remember is that at the battle of Helms Deep there were 10,000 Uruk-Hai at a low estimate (this includes the Berserkers etc). There's only 3 mutants defending this as well. I know they are all powerful but it's not gonna be as much of a cakewalk. The whole army will charge straight away at Hornburg.Colossus will be needed at a minimum. to fend off the large numbers. And he isn't gonna be able to occupy the whole army since they can go around him and fight the others.
Not saying the Uruks stomp but this isn't as easy as it might look initially.
That said, that is why I think the ranged people are the only relevant parties. Colossus just can't cover the ground someone like Gambit and Pyro can.
Originally posted by StyleTime
👆So no phasing the place for Kitty, which would be a pretty big feat for her anyway.
Until the bomb squad makes more entrances. While ladders are being thrown up simultaneously. Cyclops would just be zapping everyone. Meanwhile, the orcs run up the ladder Colossus couldn't reach in time because he's busy stopping one of the psycho-orcs.
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Oh, I agree. It will be a struggle city with the stipulations in place.That said, that is why I think the range people are the only relevant parties. Colossus just can't cover the ground someone like Gambit and Pyro can.
Yeah that’s why I thought way you have Colossus holding off that small path that the Uruks were moving up in a shield wall.
A ranged guy to take out ladders and then a solid fighter like Logan. Colossus would be very much in the open but that’s what the ranged guy would be helpful for.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not really. She has planetary level phasing feats...even recently she phased a nuke down thru to the earth's core. You're woefully misinformed
Phasing on this scale is generally a pretty big moment of awesome for her. Like Nightcrawler teleporting hundreds of miles when in desperate situations.
The X-Men don't need to kill every single Uruk to defend Hornburg. Even Uruk-hai can lose morale and break. And a big metal dude who is completely invincible to any attempts at felling him and strong enough to grab the Uruk in the front and throw him literally through every Uruk in formation and out of the valley of Helm's Deep would be a pretty big damper on the army's morale. And that's just one guy. Colossus could easily toss Wolverine into vicinity of the Uruk commander (presumably one exists, we never saw it for some reason), who would then kill everyone around him and continue running through the ranks butchering them while *insert ranged X-Men here* is laying into the army from the walls.
I can't see the Uruks continuing to push on to fight while an invincible metal man and a slightly smaller invincible man are tearing through Uruks by the dozens while some nerd with a red visor is nuking the field from a distance.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The X-Men don't need to kill every single Uruk to defend Hornburg. Even Uruk-hai can lose morale and break. And a big metal dude who is completely invincible to any attempts at felling him and strong enough to grab the Uruk in the front and throw him literally through every Uruk in formation and out of the valley of Helm's Deep would be a pretty big damper on the army's morale. And that's just one guy. Colossus could easily toss Wolverine into vicinity of the Uruk commander (presumably one exists, we never saw it for some reason), who would then kill everyone around him and continue running through the ranks butchering them while *insert ranged X-Men here* is laying into the army from the walls.I can't see the Uruks continuing to push on to fight while an invincible metal man and a slightly smaller invincible man are tearing through Uruks by the dozens while some nerd with a red visor is nuking the field from a distance.
There was a commander there. It was the Uruk who was standing on that rock roaring.
Re: Re: choose 3 x-men to defend helms deep
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
There was a commander there. It was the Uruk who was standing on that rock roaring.
The one without a helmet, yes.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
wolverine
colossus
sabertoothThose three. Invulnerable strong guy who alone would be more than enough and two regenerating, raging killing machines.
Read the OP.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Those were two completely different statements. One was to describe scale and the other precision.
Regardless, you're being way too loose with the definition of "planetary." The only time she ever phased the planet was when she had the Black Vortex amp. And she's definitely demonstrated strain phasing large objects. Phasing Helm's Deep, and the whole orc(or whatever they are) army would get an immediate spot in all her respect threads. Rightfully so, as it would be one of her largest of all time.
Would you call Xavier or Rachel planetary telepaths if they hadn't demonstrated planet-wide telepathy?
Originally posted by NemeBro
The X-Men don't need to kill every single Uruk to defend Hornburg. Even Uruk-hai can lose morale and break. And a big metal dude who is completely invincible to any attempts at felling him and strong enough to grab the Uruk in the front and throw him literally through every Uruk in formation and out of the valley of Helm's Deep would be a pretty big damper on the army's morale. And that's just one guy. Colossus could easily toss Wolverine into vicinity of the Uruk commander (presumably one exists, we never saw it for some reason), who would then kill everyone around him and continue running through the ranks butchering them while *insert ranged X-Men here* is laying into the army from the walls.I can't see the Uruks continuing to push on to fight while an invincible metal man and a slightly smaller invincible man are tearing through Uruks by the dozens while some nerd with a red visor is nuking the field from a distance.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Style
Uruk-Hai is it?
Originally posted by StyleTime
Nah, that isn't precision. It's just a regular "phase the thing you're touching feat." Precision is her phasing specific body parts or doing a phase jump kick on someone like here.Regardless, you're being way too loose with the definition of "planetary." The only time she ever phased the planet was when she had the Black Vortex amp. And she's definitely demonstrated strain phasing large objects. Phasing Helm's Deep, and the whole orc(or whatever they are) army would get an immediate spot in all her respect threads. Rightfully so, as it would be one of her largest of all time.
Would you call Xavier or Rachel planetary telepaths if they hadn't demonstrated planet-wide telepathy?
Fair point, and as I said, I know jack shit about LOTR. If intimidating them is a viable tactic, then this becomes much easier.
I know jack shit about LOTR. I'm several types of nerd, but I could never get into sword/shield/elven high fantasy stuff. I just assumed they were some brand of orc lol.
Uruk-Hai is it?
Yep its Uruk-Hai. Orcs are corrupted elves so are Uruks but they are like the purebreed orc. And Uruk tends to be only used for ones from Isengard.