Originally posted by StyleTime
I never got into LOTR, so I am only going based on youtube clips of the Helm's Deep thing.This thread was made back when Psylocke had really strong TK, before her Vanishing Powerset Syndrome flared up again. You can combo her with any random two energy projectors tbh. She could protect them from or even redirect arrows/bombs, operate as crowd control, or just rip orcs apart ala Nimrod clones. Additionally, if that orc bomb squad gets through, Psylocke could made a TK wall while her crew beats the forces back. If they scale the walls, she can push the ladders all back down or gather enemies together for her allies to take out.
Pyro would go well here. A giant flaming dragon made from the orc torches would help a lot, as well as setting all their ladders and siege equipment on fire. It is raining though, so some of the AOE damage might be mitigated.
Gambit can machine gun cards into the army ala his showing against Gladiator, charge the arrow supplies of the allied forces, and would kick the shit out of any orcs that managed to scale the walls. Or blow their ladders up.
Cyke/Havok, even without their wide beams, could basically shoot and spin around. That said, it is nighttime. They totally can run out of juice, depending on how large the forces are. While I don't know the full scale of the orc army, that isn't as much of a possibility with the others.
The melee combatants are less appealing to me, for the simple fact that they can't cover all the ground. Sure, Wolverine and Colossus could save themselves, but they can't stop every random orc from rushing the wall and taking a ladder up.
Colossus can drop giant rocks on them.
Any of the brawlers can patrol a few sides of the outer wall, and harass them against setting up ladders or siege towers.
Originally posted by cdtm
Colossus can drop giant rocks on them.Any of the brawlers can patrol a few sides of the outer wall, and harass them against setting up ladders or siege towers.
You want Colossus to weaken the fortifications by doing so? 😂
Sure, but he's not stopping all of them. We're talking about 10,000 Uruks (at least) here, including Berserkers, crossbowmen, ladders, Ballista-powered ladders (yes, that was a thing there) and more.
Colossus may have a degree of enhanced speed, but he's no Superman.
And he can't f[size=1]ucking fly.[/size]
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You want Colossus to weaken the fortifications by doing so? 😂Sure, but he's not stopping all of them. We're talking about 10,000 Uruks (at least) here, including Berserkers, crossbowmen, ladders, Ballista-powered ladders (yes, that was a thing there) and more.
Colossus may have a degree of enhanced speed, but he's no Superman.
And he can't f[size=1]ucking fly.[/size]
Doesn't have to weaken the fortifications he can lift stuff off the ground. Thunderclap, create earthquakes. Wolverine can kill alot of them and Havok can AOE.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It would change nothing. He still can't be everywhere at once.
Both Havok and Colossus can do aoe attacks before they got close enough to storm the castle.
EDIT: Wait, wait the OP said no omni blast, ok this isn't looking good. Is omni blast the same as AOE?
Originally posted by Deadline
Doesn't have to weaken the fortifications he can lift stuff off the ground. Thunderclap, create earthquakes. Wolverine can kill alot of them and Havok can AOE.
Helm's Deep is not a mess, there are no rocks lying on the ground just waiting to get picked 😛
Earthquakes WILL most definitely affect the walls, lol. And he was never shown thunderclapping in his career, excluding the single incident when he had the Juggernaut power at his disposal.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Helm's Deep is not a mess, there are no rocks lying on the ground just waiting to get picked 😛
Er he just needs to pick up the ground...in front of the fortifications
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Earthquakes WILL most definitely affect the walls, lol. And he was never shown thunderclapping in his career, excluding the single incident when he had the Juggernaut power at his disposal.
Not if the shockwaves radiate out in front of the castle. Well I'm pretty sure he could make an earthquake.
EDIT Think I might go for gambit instead of Havok.
Originally posted by cdtm
Colossus can drop giant rocks on them.Any of the brawlers can patrol a few sides of the outer wall, and harass them against setting up ladders or siege towers.
Even then, it's just three X-Men alone. Just seems inefficient to have Gambit stop to charge boulders when he could just do it himself. He's made building, and even city-block sized, explosion with single cards. Just seems smarter to let him carpet bomb from one side of the fortress. Pyro takes the middle. Psylocke takes another side.
Originally posted by Deadline
Er he just needs to pick up the ground...in front of the fortifications
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Why? At her best she could solo...kitty could as well
Single target damage won't cut it here. The orcs don't have to stop and fight to progress. Wolverine or Colossus would **** up like 100, while 1000 sprint right by them lol. Sure, they could probably clean up later, but those others would already be inside Helm's Deep, ending the match. You have to stop all of them from setting one foot inside.
To me, the only debate to be had is which 3 out Psylocke, Gambit, Pyro, Cyclops, and Havok is best.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThere's a big mountain right next to it that Colossus can teleport to with his teleportation powers. From there he hucks boulders.
Helm's Deep is not a mess, there are no rocks lying on the ground just waiting to get picked 😛Earthquakes WILL most definitely affect the walls, lol. And he was never shown thunderclapping in his career, excluding the single incident when he had the Juggernaut power at his disposal.
Originally posted by StyleTimeKitty isn't allowed to phase actual location, so she'd likely run into similar problems as Colossus and such.
Single target damage won't cut it here. The orcs don't have to stop and fight to progress. Wolverine or Colossus would **** up like 100, while 1000 sprint right by them lol. Sure, they could probably clean up later, but those others would already be inside Helm's Deep, ending the match. You have to stop all of them from setting one foot inside.
To me, the only debate to be had is which 3 out Psylocke, Gambit, Pyro, Cyclops, and Havok is best.
She can't phase Helms Deep but she can phase the area around it. Think outside the box