Originally posted by Raoul
how does wolverine know scott's limits if even scott doesnt?
Originally posted by Raoul
i don't see how, to be honest...
Originally posted by Raoul
of course, 'full power' was just something cool writers used to go on about... he's a damn sight more powerful now than he was in years gone by, even in astonishing alone, he has some really impressive feats...
Originally posted by RaoulAfter that fight, Sabretooth runs for it, the X-Men catch back up to him Jean Grey breaks one of Sabe's legs with TK then Cyclops blasts him through a window, Sabretooth jumps back through the window and pin Cyclops down who's then saved by the X-Men.
which is the other one?
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Originally posted by jinzin
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That... doesn't even make sense. Cyclops was commanded to blast Wolverine, he did, Wolverine made a reference that he was being hit with everything scott had and stood up to it.
how does wolverine know scott's limits if even scott doesnt?
Wouldn't that just fall into the collateral damage argument that coincides with brick punches?
i don't see how, to be honest...
So he's definitely gotten stronger and it isn't just a plea to the non collateral damage argument?
of course, 'full power' was just something cool writers used to go on about... he's a damn sight more powerful now than he was in years gone by, even in astonishing alone, he has some really impressive feats...
Twice actually.
which is the other one?
Originally posted by Starscream M
😕 cyke is blind while he shoots his rays
that would make him blind all the time...
Originally posted by batdude123But mentioning this would require me to assert proof that these non-Einsteinian particles act other than any other particles we've encountered before. They ricochet like regular particles. they interact with our plane's matter with a concussive force. It seems like they act like light with the particle wave duality. And as the burden of proof requires us to assume what's established as the norm until proven otherwise. To make a claim that they would not act like our particles would require evidence.
While I'm not defending jinzin's stance... Cyclop's blasts are "non-Einsteinian particles" in beam form that come from another universe.
Even if you do not wish to pick up continuing this defense, whoever does, does so with the challenge for proof attached.
Originally posted by Starscream MDon't even try it. The last time you changed stipulations in the middle of a thread there were reports and a few bannings. Default battlefield.
I guess I should have made more clear the settings, as it's pretty important in this battle.My intent was that the battle take place in a snow-filled forest, that has trees and other plants, although it isn't dense like a rain forest, there is plenty of cover.
Originally posted by Starscream MThey come out of his eyes all the time. He can't turn em off. In order to see without destroying everything he has to wear ruby quartz lenses to filter out the beams.
ummm...what the heck are you talking about?I've read xmen comics, and I don't see Cyke in a constant state of shooting his beams, in fact, more likely he does so very rarely actually.
What? Do you think the glasses were just a fashion decision?
Originally posted by batdude123not a personal supposition, more commensense...
Proof? Or is this just another one of masterbruce's suppositions? Cyclop's blasts are constantly firing, despite being blocked by his ruby quartz glasses.
when he fires a beam, his field of vision is covered by red light, hence he is technically 'blind' while firing and shouldnt see his target once he fires
Originally posted by jinzin
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Scott necesarily had to hit Wolverine with all he had since that's what he was commanded to do.
i think this falls under the 'writer not knowing just how powerful cyclops is' heading...
Well I mean, if the argument is that Cyclop's has gotten stronger over the years, has this been referenced upon outside of the collateral damage he does more of now as opposed to then. I remember his classic beams still being pretty damned powerful.
they were, but there was always the tendency by writers to assume he used high level blasts, when his very nature contradicts that... its the beams themselves that are more powerful...
So this is more of an imprical statement then something that's been referenced?
its a deduction based on how powerful his so called 'full power' blasts used to be, and how strong they are nowadays, without him yelling 'full power!' like some member of the superfriends...
After that fight, Sabretooth runs for it, the X-Men catch back up to him Jean Grey breaks one of Sabe's legs with TK then Cyclops blasts him through a window, Sabretooth jumps back through the window and pin Cyclops down who's then saved by the X-Men.
same issue? i'll have to find it so...
Originally posted by Starscream M
not a personal supposition, more commensense...when he fires a beam, his field of vision is covered by red light, hence he is technically 'blind' while firing and shouldnt see his target once he fires
he's ALWAYS firing his blasts. its why he wears the glasses in the first place.
Originally posted by Creshoskwithout his visor, he would be technically blind.
They come out of his eyes all the time. He can't turn em off. In order to see he has to wear ruby quartz lenses to filter out the beams from destroying everything he sees.What? Do you think the glasses were just a fashion decision?
Originally posted by CreshoskAnd perhaps the weak point stays consistent from then on. I'm not about to listen to some argument that has no basis in the real world as it is. It was stated there was a weak point and then proven.
Writers giving faulty explination makes for plot induced stupidity. a "weak point" in a light like projection is only made by something blocking it. given the wave like functions of light there would be no "weak point" other than that of right between cyclops's eyes before the beams unite.
Originally posted by Creshosk
More writer garbage not understanding science. I'll accept that as much as I accept storm flying on solar winds: I don't.Psy blockers block telepathy. Not telekenisis.
Originally posted by Creshosk
and I call bullshit on the feat then,. Congratulations, that's a case of plot induced stupidity. its right up there with Spiderman dancing circles around the X-men and Spiderman's webbing holding nightcrawler.
Originally posted by CreshoskAnd you're saying that it's not feasable for Cyclops to have a weak point in spite of evidence to the contrary. So calling is bullshit and discarding it VERY MUCH DOES have to do with how it appeals to you.
It has nothing to do with likeing the feat. because I like the events that happened. Jubilee got to help save the day. It has everything to do with feesability.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But mentioning this would require me to assert proof that these non-Einsteinian particles act other than any other particles we've encountered before. They ricochet like regular particles. they interact with our plane's matter with a concussive force. It seems like they act like light with the particle wave duality. And as the burden of proof requires us to assume what's established as the norm until proven otherwise. To make a claim that they would not act like our particles would require evidence.Even if you do not wish to pick up continuing this defense, whoever does, does so with the challenge for proof attached.
I'm just giving you one possible explanation/theory as to why he may have a "weak spot" in his blast.
Writers make it a point of contention for us to know that his blast is made from "non-Einsteinian" particles in his bios. That basically means the physics behind it is up in the air. It could be argued that it's a plot device in and of itself, in order for the writers to explain the "faulty science" behind it.
Originally posted by Starscream MYou obviously haven't been reading the recent comics.
without his visor, he would be technically blind.
He's only blind on the technicallity that his eyes are closed when he doesn't have his visor on. his visor doesn't mean that the beams aren't coming out of his eyes.
And no, he'd just destroy what was in front of him. He keeps his eyes closed when his visor isn't on.