Originally posted by Ambient
I really dont think it makes any difference either amalgamated or individual in terms of speed compared to Surfer.. What matters is their survival ratio in Surfers first initial assault, as individual characters the mutants falls easy both lacks the durability, juggs is too limited he falls easy to surfers mental assault or incapacitated inside a blackhole but as an amalgamated diff. story, outside a dimensional or time bfr doubt Surfer could take an amalgamation of this team... I think we both agree on this... 😄yes.. but not against an amalgamation of the team..
too late cant type and think properly.. lol
I do understand your point and in a fight i now believe that an amalgamtion would indeed be harder to defeat barring BFR( As you said he might not be able to take them/him at all). Including BFR however i think an amalgam would be easier to defeat because of numbers. If magneto and xavier work together i could see mags shielding xavier while xavier initiates a mental attack on SS. Meanwhile mags could also put a shield around juggys head to prevent ( at least temporarily) ss removing his helmet. Juggy could then intiate his own physical attack while ss is fighting xavier mentally. Now as an amalgam all of these powers will be available but i would think that using them all at once would be difficult. Using mags enrgy manip while fighting SS on the mental plane ana also fighting him physically would be difficult IMO.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I see Juggernaut and Xavier useless here to be honest, and unless Magneto manages to protect them from being BFR-ed and killed respectivly, he will be all alone, and lose.
Originally posted by Avlon
I believe the team can take a win or two though Surfer takes the vast majority.This being that Surfer has had some issues with the EM spectrum and Juggs durability. Xavier seems pretty useless here.
That being, unless everything is perfectly orchestrated, they still lose to SS.
How is Xavier useless? We've never seen the Surfer fight a high level telepath and use the rest of his powers at the same time. For all we know, it would go just like it did with Exodus.
Originally posted by llagrok
How is Xavier useless? We've never seen the Surfer fight a high level telepath and use the rest of his powers at the same time. For all we know, it would go just like it did with Exodus.
His durability. Even a side effect of Surfers power could easily kill Xavier. While powerful, he doesn't get the added bonus of durability that Mags and Juggy get with their powerset.
Surfer flies in at 3000000000000000x lightyears per micro second, has his board chops Xavier in half, bfr's Cain into another side of space with a cosmic wormhole, then goes toe to toe with Magneto, power cosmic vs em control powers, and Magneto talks a bunch of shit, and actually tries to compare his power to that of cosmic, and Surfer replies "YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUE MIGHT OF MY COSMIC POWER", fight over, Surfer wins.
Same way Surfer beats the entire JLA and JSA combined on the forum. If he can do that, why would these three be a problem?
Originally posted by Juntai
Surfer flies in at 3000000000000000x lightyears per micro second, has his board chops Xavier in half, bfr's Cain into another side of space with a cosmic wormhole, then goes toe to toe with Magneto, power cosmic vs em control powers, and Magneto talks a bunch of shit, and actually tries to compare his power to that of cosmic, and Surfer replies "YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUE MIGHT OF MY COSMIC POWER", fight over, Surfer wins.Same way Surfer beats the entire JLA and JSA combined on the forum. If he can do that, why would these three be a problem?
A little over the top.
I feel that the Surfer could take this match. Definitely not capable of taking on the JLA or the JSA.
If Magneto manages to shield Xavier, then things could really get interesting. Xavier could just deactivate Magneto's subconscious limitations of his power similar to how Emma did to Hellion IIRC. IMO, since Magneto has shown some impressive feats while subonsciously limiting his power, then if those limitations are off, he would be capable of protecting the others from Surfer, enough so that they manage to take him down.
Originally posted by Juntai
Surfer flies in at 3000000000000000x lightyears per micro second, has his board chops Xavier in half, bfr's Cain into another side of space with a cosmic wormhole, then goes toe to toe with Magneto, power cosmic vs em control powers, and Magneto talks a bunch of shit, and actually tries to compare his power to that of cosmic, and Surfer replies "YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUE MIGHT OF MY COSMIC POWER", fight over, Surfer wins.Same way Surfer beats the entire JLA and JSA combined on the forum. If he can do that, why would these three be a problem?
Best.Post.Evar!!!
Originally posted by SoljerTrue.
I knew you were being sarcastic. Just saying, I don't think you need to bring in arguments like those in order to beat the team.
Originally posted by janus77
Hal and John would be beaten pdq by Surfer, on his way to slaughtering Flash or let's say Surfer changes every molecule of his body into Kryptonite, whilst twisting Flash's head off at 100x C... causing Superman to double-over in spasms. thus the 'fight' begins
IIRC, most marvel telepaths have a severe problem with speedsters. Examples include Quicksilver cold-cocking Exodus and outrunning his TP, Cable having trouble with Surfer during C&D, and others.
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Hal and John would be beaten pdq by Surfer, on his way to slaughtering Flash or let's say Surfer changes every molecule of his body into Kryptonite, whilst twisting Flash's head off at 100x C... causing Superman to double-over in spasms. thus the 'fight' begins "
..........Hate.......Surfer.......fanboys. durfist