Originally posted by Starscream M
dood, when we have forum battles...we assume characters bring their A game. Hence why Superman is allowed speedblitz, when in actual comics, he does that less than 1% of the time.Have you read the venom: the hunger? He bit people's heads off and ate their brains!!!!
Venom could grab hold of Logan (no reason why he can't) and just send tendrils up logans nose into his brain for a little snack.
I doubt you're a venom fan, cuz if you knew anything about venom, you'd know he'd be the last guy wolverine would want to go up against. At least against the hulk, logan may escape from him, with venom...no such luck for the little runt.
We assume that characters are going to have their powers operating at 100%, thus if Superman's peak strength without amplification iis a bajillion tons we assume that's how strong he'll be coming in.
Like Wolverine, we assume his healing factor will work to 100% of it's effeciency which is why examples given from when his HF is taxed are simply discarded.
What we DON'T assume is that these characters are going to start exibiting all their powers in ways they've never consistently or even moderately been portrayed. This heavily applies to Venom because either version is even MORE HEAVILY affected by their CIS.
The only people who think Superman is going to be moving like the Flash while using T-VO in every second of every fight he's in are the hardcore Superman fans who don't like the idea of ANYONE being above his equal.
That said, if we're going to go by your version of how KMC fights go I can argue that Wolverine will be berserking out for every fight while turning invisible, zipping around like quicksilver with agility faster than Speed Demon can run in a straight line, survive without oxygen for a full hour submerged in water with a torn throat, heal from a skeleton in 2 minutes without slowing down his pace of fighting, while walking around AS a skeleton as well, while moving faster than Spiderman and outclassing the entire MU in skill.
(And even that would be more characteristic of Logan than your version of Venom is to the comics.)
Am I supposed to be impressed by Venom eating a person's brains? The F8CKING BROOD tell their children stories about Wolverine like he's their boogyman. 😐
As for Venom grabbing ahold of Logan; There's a big reason he can't... Wolverine can cut him, he can cut Venom's tendrils too, and he already has.
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Okay it's one thing to insinuate I'm not a Venom fan, there's not nearly enough threads where I have to come to his defense against outrageous claims because people don't have a problem giving him credit so how would you even know that? I don't need your approval of my fanhood to know who I am and am not a fan of.
But to insinuate that I don't know the first thing about Venom?
That's just downright stupid.
As Battlehammer already pointed out, I've won a tournement using Venom as 1/3 of my Amalgam, and TWICE I had to go up against Venom's weaknesses to fire, sound, and heat. 😐
Fuc* I bet I'm one of the only people here who knows how the real beef with Brock and Spidey even got started. (I'll give you a hint, it WASN'T super hero related.)
But you're going to say I don't know anything about Venom because I think he'd lose or stalemate to Wolverine?
In spite of the fact that out of their 4 encounters Venom's either... lost or stalemated Wolverine? 😐
Originally posted by jinzinare you seriously going to use those 4 PIS ridden Logan wankfests as evidence of how an actual logan/venom encounter would look like?In spite of the fact that out of their 4 encounters Venom's either... lost or stalemated Wolverine? 😐
you are seriously delusional if you think Logan can beat venom....venom's never lost to someone weaker without either sonics or fire involved someway. Can wolverine make the same claim....no. Ya think if cutting him would work, Spiderman would've long ago added his own claws to his repertoire. Thing is, unless you can deliver CL100 shots, you can't really physically injure Venom. So maybe logan can keep venom at bay, for awhile, but sooner or later he's going down.
Originally posted by jinzin
We assume that characters are going to have their powers operating at 100%, thus if Superman's peak strength without amplification iis a bajillion tons we assume that's how strong he'll be coming in.Like Wolverine, we assume his healing factor will work to 100% of it's effeciency which is why examples given from when his HF is taxed are simply discarded.
What we DON'T assume is that these characters are going to start exibiting all their powers in ways they've never consistently or even moderately been portrayed. This heavily applies to Venom because either version is even MORE HEAVILY affected by their CIS.
The only people who think Superman is going to be moving like the Flash while using T-VO in every second of every fight he's in are the hardcore Superman fans who don't like the idea of ANYONE being above his equal.
That said, if we're going to go by your version of how KMC fights go I can argue that Wolverine will be berserking out for every fight while turning invisible, zipping around like quicksilver with agility faster than Speed Demon can run in a straight line, survive without oxygen for a full hour submerged in water with a torn throat, heal from a skeleton in 2 minutes without slowing down his pace of fighting, while walking around AS a skeleton as well, while moving faster than Spiderman and outclassing the entire MU in skill.
(And even that would be more characteristic of Logan than your version of Venom is to the comics.)
Am I supposed to be impressed by Venom eating a person's brains? The F8CKING BROOD tell their children stories about Wolverine like he's their boogyman. 😐
As for Venom grabbing ahold of Logan; There's a big reason he can't... Wolverine can cut him, he can cut Venom's tendrils too, and he already has.
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Okay it's one thing to insinuate I'm not a Venom fan, there's not nearly enough threads where I have to come to his defense against outrageous claims because people don't have a problem giving him credit so how would you even know that? I don't need your approval of my fanhood to know who I am and am not a fan of.
But to insinuate that I don't know the first thing about Venom?
That's just downright stupid.
As Battlehammer already pointed out, I've won a tournement using Venom as 1/3 of my Amalgam, and TWICE I had to go up against Venom's weaknesses to fire, sound, and heat. 😐Fuc* I bet I'm one of the only people here who knows how the real beef with Brock and Spidey even got started. (I'll give you a hint, it WASN'T super hero related.)
But you're going to say I don't know anything about Venom because I think he'd lose or stalemate to Wolverine?In spite of the fact that out of their 4 encounters Venom's either... lost or stalemated Wolverine? 😐
OMG this is a beautiful post. Good job again jinzin, great debator.
Originally posted by Starscream M
wipe your chin when you're done, sport...
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I hate you (just playing).
I just give people there props when they post good comments but hey I guess that you cant congrad someone when they give good opinions. Trust me if you post something good (which is very rare) I would say the same thing to you.
Originally posted by Starscream M
are you seriously going to use those 4 PIS ridden Logan wankfests as evidence of how an actual logan/venom encounter would look like?you are seriously delusional if you think Logan can beat venom....venom's never lost to someone weaker without either sonics or fire involved someway. Can wolverine make the same claim....no. Ya think if cutting him would work, Spiderman would've long ago added his own claws to his repertoire. Thing is, unless you can deliver CL100 shots, you can't really physically injure Venom. So maybe logan can keep venom at bay, for awhile, but sooner or later he's going down.
In what way are those examples ridden with PIS? For the timeframe Venom's healing factor which only had one or two showings, and weak ones at that, was written UP to fight Wolverine.. Was that the PIS?
No? How about having someone who looked like Mariko being put into danger to distract Logan from Venom allowing Venom his cheap shot? No?
Okay was the PIS when Wolverine stabbed Super Venom in the back of the head and Super Venom wasn't even bothered by it because it did the one thing an entire race of it's kind couldn't do rid itself of it's necessity for a living host? Was that the PIS you're reffering to?
If not what PIS ARE you reffering to? The fact that Logan did better in melee combat than Venom even though it's a FACT that Logan is better in Melee combat than Venom?....
What? you think that because Spiderman didn't add blades to his arsenal that somehow stands as a fact that they don't work on Venom? 😂
"I've never seen Sabretooth try to use a nuke on Wolverine, they must not work on Logan".. 😐
The fact of the matter is that Venom is a very tough sumumabitch but he has a poor track record against bladed weaponry.
Right before The Vault, Venom was running around stomping Spiderman, Doppleganger, and Ghost Rider. Blaze showed up and stabbed Venom in the arm with knife and Venom let out a howl of pain.
Gargan Venom was seriously jacked up for a few moments after having the end of Swordsmen's blade launched into his torso.
He got jacked by a group of samurai Mace warriors with their swords.
Swordsmen just recently gave Venom problems.
I'm not going to sit here and listen to you tell me it's PIS when he's always been affected by bladed weaponry.
4 out of 4 isn't some random, isolated incident that goes against a set precedence, 4 out of 4 is f*cking consistency. 😐
Now let's get something straight. The best argument you've been able to come up with is "Venom's thew last guy Wolverine would want to fight" (Which really beckons the question if you know who in the hell Wolverine is AT ALL, talking about the guy who tried to tackle Wendigo and Hulk at the SAME TIME in his first Weapon X mission) and "Wolverine can't beat a guy like Venom" (Which becons the question as to if you know who VENOM is at all). Daredevil has danced circles around Venom. Black Cat dropped Venom the floor for a moment after dodging him and negotiating his webbing. High class fighters giving Venom a hard time in h2h combat is not some exception to the rule here, It IS THE RULE. 😐
You keep making baseless statements about Venom, support your argments with no evidence, and you're ignoring a consistent and repeated number of showings that you don't agree with.....
But I'm the delusional one right? 😉
And you want to play the claim game? You've got to be joking..
Wolverine's almost killed the Hulk, he's knocked him out, and he's taken multiple hits from Namor without going down, "can Venom make the same claim.... no."
Only one of these guys has a healing factor that can regenerate human tissue from a skeleton, Wolverine's chances of taking Venom down are just as good as the opposite if not better given Venom's play into CIS.
If it's Brock versus current Wolverine, Venom might pull this off. Wolverine isn't super powerful anymore, his healing powers are thankfully lowered to more realistic state. He might be cutting the symbiotes, but Eddie can just over symbiote him putting symbiote all around him and yeah choking works. Wolverine does not win the reflex and speed part, and those claws aren't really powerful enough to put down Venom for good.
Wow Jin, Im used to you twisting stories in blind Wolverine support, but usually you keep the examples contained to obscure Wolverine and X-men issues from the mid 1980s. Swordsman did NOT mess up Venom by stabbing him. In fact Venom had 3/4 of the blade sticking in his gut and he was mocking Swordsman. Its when Swordsman used his power and basically blew Gargan up that it had any effect. Can Wolverine's claws do that?
"Well actually in the special PizzaHut X-Men promotion limited comic run back in 1993, Wolverine....."
Originally posted by Badabing
Is this Gargan or Brock?
The opening post didn't specify
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Okay so this is both guys going at full force....who takes it?
So default:
Originally posted by Digimark007
Rules/Standard Fight Settings
In most cases, the poster who originally set up the versus fight determines the conditions of the fight itself (ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it'll be assumed that it's the current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on). However, in the cases where the original poster did not set down any constraints or conditions for the fight, then the match would default to the standard rules below.No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.
Would say Gargan.
On a side note, when I say Venom liquifies Wolverine's insides, I dont mean by punching him. I meant by sending his symbiote in through every opening in Wolverine's body and going blender mode with it on his heart and intestines. He could destroy his brain and lungs from there without ever having to go through the adamantium.
"But Wolverine will heal, duh"
No he wont, and if he did, he'd be out for long enough that it'd count as a loss.