"Are you serious?
You've got Spiderman, with the useof her pheremones in action she might severly hinder Doom's rationality and actions. "
As was said, if Doom doesnt have basic gas/phermone protection, he doesnt deserve his status as top tier.
"Luke Cage is dangerous as hell since he's the member of that group who's not only going to be hard to hurt in the first place but is also capible of physically restraining Doom if he got his hands on him."
Firstly I think Dr. Doom's suit gives him higher strength than Cage, secondly how often does Doom involve himself physically in his fights? The guy's gauntlets can level buildings.
"Of course with Wolverine's damage soak speed and claws he represents a massive threat to Doom. It should be taken into consideration that with Doom's attention focused away from Wolverine there's a huge possibility of Wolverine simply jumping Doom and running him through. "
Assuming Doom lets his shields down, doesnt fly, forgets his magic, and doesnt use any type of repulsor blast, yeah Wolverine could possibly do that....
"Iron Fist is turning trains into debris nowdays... You can't possibly tell me that's NOT impressive enough to be threatening to Doom. "
Its strange, the guy who on paper should be the least threat would probably give Doom the most trouble here. Still he'd go down and I'll explain why in a moment.
"Spider-man, hard to hit, hard to target, has a solid punch, pain in the ass webbing and has kicked the ass of half the Marvel Universe by himself. "
Spider-man would be annoying, but hes not on the same level. Also he has no way of getting pash Doom's shields. Actually most this team shouldnt be able to bypass them.
"Hawkeye took down an entire Ultron invasion ship with one arrow. His distance advantage could and would easily allow everyone else on team two to get within melee range. "
Hawkeye also has standard human durability. Doom could arguably KILL him in standard hand to hand without his suit. He might be able to put something together here, but he isnt agile enough or durable enough to survive a blast
"Anyone of these people should be able to give Doom a rough time ALONE, as a team they would effectively cream his ass IMO. This is of course all based on Doom's typicial representations over the years so if he's recently had some amount of uber upgrades forgive my ignorance. If that's not the case however, you bet your ass no one here has to be a Wolverine fan to think team 2 could be the team that takes Doom down.
He doesn't even have prep til he gets to four"
I dont see how anyone here can give Doom a run 1 vs 1. As a team they might take some time to beat, but honestly if Doom tosses up his standard shield and picks them off one at a time, he'd win. Most of this team is 1 shottable (as least towards a knockout) and most of them have no means of even getting to Doom.
Originally posted by redhotrash
"As was said, if Doom doesnt have basic gas/phermone protection, he doesnt deserve his status as top tier.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Firstly I think Dr. Doom's suit gives him higher strength than Cage, secondly how often does Doom involve himself physically in his fights? The guy's gauntlets can level buildings.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Assuming Doom lets his shields down, doesnt fly, forgets his magic, and doesnt use any type of repulsor blast, yeah Wolverine could possibly do that....
And that's the thing you've just equated all of Doom's powers against one opponent. He's fighting a load.
Originally posted by redhotrashNo one said he's on the same level... 😕
Spider-man would be annoying, but hes not on the same level. Also he has no way of getting pash Doom's shields. Actually most this team shouldnt be able to bypass them.
That's why it's important that he's fighting on a TEAM.
His shields are not up all the time.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Hawkeye also has standard human durability. Doom could arguably KILL him in standard hand to hand without his suit. He might be able to put something together here, but he isnt agile enough or durable enough to survive a blast
Originally posted by redhotrashI didn't say a run. I said rough time. They'd all be able to produce a pain in Doom's ass. In a team vs. one scenario I think they can beat him. If Doom's staying at a distance his repulsors are easier to dodge. If he floats in the air he's a sitting duck for Hawkeye.
I dont see how anyone here can give Doom a run 1 vs 1. As a team they might take some time to beat, but honestly if Doom tosses up his standard shield and picks them off one at a time, he'd win. Most of this team is 1 shottable (as least towards a knockout) and most of them have no means of even getting to Doom.
I forgot to say, the pheromone also isn't that big of a deal, Luke Cage, Wolverine, and Spiderman were affected by it but they were still able to fight. The reason it affected the Wrecker is because he stopped to talk to her and he is an idiot.
And do you really think w/o pis, Doom wouldn't have his shield up agaisnt a group of people?
Originally posted by jinzinDr. Doom's suit provides protection against pheremone based powers. He used Purple Man to take over the world. Which doesn't really matter anyway. Because when Purple Man goaded him into turning off his armor's protection, Doom resisted the Purple Man's powers with nothing but his will. Purple Man's pheremone based powers are far superior to Spiderwoman's. Cage was nearly killed by Lucia Von Bardas with her inferior Doom ripoff tech. Doom would easily do the same. Wolverine has insane damage soak but he in no way has any ability to get past Doom's shields. None. Iron Fist would give Doom's shields a workout, but he ain't punching through force blasts or magic yet. Which Doom has plenty of. Spiderman and Hawkeye, same thing.
Are you serious?You've got Spiderman, with the useof her pheremones in action she might severly hinder Doom's rationality and actions.
Luke Cage is dangerous as hell since he's the member of that group who's not only going to be hard to hurt in the first place but is also capible of physically restraining Doom if he got his hands on him.
Of course with Wolverine's damage soak speed and claws he represents a massive threat to Doom. It should be taken into consideration that with Doom's attention focused away from Wolverine there's a huge possibility of Wolverine simply jumping Doom and running him through.
Iron Fist is turning trains into debris nowdays... You can't possibly tell me that's NOT impressive enough to be threatening to Doom.
Spider-man, hard to hit, hard to target, has a solid punch, pain in the ass webbing and has kicked the ass of half the Marvel Universe by himself.
Hawkeye took down an entire Ultron invasion ship with one arrow. His distance advantage could and would easily allow everyone else on team two to get within melee range.
Anyone of these people should be able to give Doom a rough time ALONE, as a team they would effectively cream his ass IMO. This is of course all based on Doom's typicial representations over the years so if he's recently had some amount of uber upgrades forgive my ignorance. If that's not the case however, you bet your ass no one here has to be a Wolverine fan to think team 2 could be the team that takes Doom down.
He doesn't even have prep til he gets to four. 😐
They have maybe a 1/10 chance due solely to Doom's over-confidence. He could very well be goaded into dropping his shields. But he's taken a straight shot from Thing to the face without forcefields and it barely registered a response and he proceeded to pound on him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Dr. Doom's suit provides protection against pheremone based powers. He used Purple Man to take over the world. Which doesn't really matter anyway. Because when Purple Man goaded him into turning off his armor's protection, Doom resisted the Purple Man's powers with nothing but his will. Purple Man's pheremone based powers are far superior to Spiderwoman's. Cage was nearly killed by Lucia Von Bardas with her inferior Doom ripoff tech. Doom would easily do the same. Wolverine has insane damage soak but he in no way has any ability to get past Doom's shields. None. Iron Fist would give Doom's shields a workout, but he ain't punching through force blasts or magic yet. Which Doom has plenty of. Spiderman and Hawkeye, same thing.They have maybe a 1/10 chance due solely to Doom's over-confidence. He could very well be goaded into dropping his shields. But he's taken a straight shot from Thing to the face without forcefields and it barely registered a response and he proceeded to pound on him.
Didn't know Doom's suit was pheromone resistant. I figured Purple Man was something he prepped for or was at least aware of unlike Jessica.
Can't really say how Wolverine would be able to do against Doom's shields. As far as I'm aware there's no proof of anything one way or the other, Onslaught's sheilds were resistant to the same types of attacks Doom's have proven to be and he still shredded through that.
Spiderman can be plenty distracting enough to make openings for the rest of the team, as for Doom not having his shields up 100% of the time.. There's nothing PIS about it, it falls under CIS, perhaps even some matter concerning Doom's armor not yet mentioned but he doesn't have them up 100% of the time when he fights.
Originally posted by jinzin
Didn't know Doom's suit was pheromone resistant. I figured Purple Man was something he prepped for or was at least aware of unlike Jessica.
Can't really say how Wolverine would be able to do against Doom's shields. As far as I'm aware there's no proof of anything one way or the other, Onslaught's sheilds were resistant to the same types of attacks Doom's have proven to be and he still shredded through that.Spiderman can be plenty distracting enough to make openings for the rest of the team, as for Doom not having his shields up 100% of the time.. There's nothing PIS about it, it falls under CIS, perhaps even some matter concerning Doom's armor not yet mentioned but he doesn't have them up 100% of the time when he fights.
Well he had them up when MA attacked him.
Against a bunch of street levelers I don't see how he loses
Emma Frost is being pushed as a peer of Xavier/Exodus with regards to her telepathic power recently. And adding to this recent push her telepathic skill has always been refined enough to enable her to defeat telepaths of higher power like Rachel. She's also shown she can bypass technological telepathic shielding. Kept safe and intangible by Kitty, with the others serving as cannon fodder distractions maybe they can win this way.
But meh, I don't know how strong Doom's psishielding is shown to be, so they probably die. If this doesn't work, 6 and if not 6, then 8.
It does beg the question how the Fantastic Four ever win.