Superman/Thor vs B list characters

Originally posted by Raoul
despero and konvict dont count because their strength completely dwarfs anything the opposition to clark/thor could hit with...

and against konvict, clark pretty much blinks and is back up, given the time between panels...

also? marvel cheap shotted him... twice, iirc.

How do you know that despero strength dwarf everyone on the battlefield. I agree with 3 of them except one and thats apocalypse. Apocalypse held a rage hulk without even straining with one arm and you have no proof that konvikt or despero is more powerful then a angry hulk.

I agree marvel did cheap shot him twice so are you saying that if anyone on team 2 sneak attack they could knock him out. By the way killowag one shotted him and then stepped on his head. 😛

and against konvict, clark pretty much blinks and is back up, given the time between panels...

and it wasnt a blink, it was like two panels.

Apoc held Hulk with leverage as well. A good feat, but not as good as you make it sound.

And Superman is generally stronger than Huc.

konvict took on the entire jla, and despero took on the entire jla and jsa lineups... if thats not an indication, i dont know what is...

kilowog is a top level gl, getting smacked around by him is no low showing... and he was under alien influence...

two panels, and yet, in those two panels konvict and diana were standing still? he knocks clark down, diana attacks him with clark already protesting...

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Thor has phased his hammer through Magneto's shield and completely ruined him before.

Since this is a no CIS battle, Superman or Thor could solo the field with the exception of Apocalypse. Superman always holds back, and when he doesn't, everyone notices, and everyone gets messed up. Both Superman and Thor will be throwing there shots as hard as they possibly can - there's no amount of character or personal morals left to make them hold back or avoid killing anyone.

So superman or thor could solo the field. Thor has had problems with magneto in the past and superman got owned by a weaker version of magneto and was completely helpless. Ironman has almost every power at his disposal, his suit conjure up a new power every week.

I would love for you to provide some kind of evidence showing heat vision working against apocalypse or ice breath. I could have sworn that apocalypse busted in the shiar tower before and gladiator hit him with a dose of heat vision that is stated as being hotter then the core of the sun and apocalypse didnt even register it.

There aint no soloing go on in this fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman
This is classic thor

vs

Namor
Apocalypse
Iron man
Magneto (shields up)

CIS is thrown out the window.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Apoc held Hulk with leverage as well. A good feat, but not as good as you make it sound.

And Superman is generally stronger than Huc.

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Now that was funny, superman stronger then hulk, damn that was funny. Show me superman punching through another dimension then I would consider him stronger then hulk. Or how about this, using nothing but pure strength to hold a planet together, that one feat alone is more then the weight that all star superman was stated that he could lift and hes stronger then main stream superman.

Originally posted by carver9
😆

Now that was funny, superman stronger then hulk, damn that was funny. Show me superman punching through another dimension then I would consider him stronger then hulk. Or how about this, using nothing but pure strength to hold a planet together, that one feat alone is more then the weight that all star superman was stated that he could lift and hes stronger then main stream superman.

there's actually no definitive proof that all star is stronger than standard superman...

Originally posted by Raoul
konvict took on the entire jla, and despero took on the entire jla and jsa lineups... if thats not an indication, i dont know what is...

kilowog is a top level gl, getting smacked around by him is no low showing... and he was under alien influence...

two panels, and yet, in those two panels konvict and diana were standing still? he knocks clark down, diana attacks him with clark already protesting...

Got a question for you, wwh took on almost every hero in marvel and came out on top but war hulk didnt take on anyone but juggernaut, whos stronger? 😕

Originally posted by Raoul
there's actually no definitive proof that all star is stronger than standard superman...

Theres plenty of proof since it was actually stated in the book that he is much stronger then he was before.

Originally posted by Badabing
Classic Thor can still bfr via space/time warp. With CIS off this looks good for Thor and Supes imo.

I agree with thor bfring but answer this, when will he have time to do this with all these people overwhelming him and lets not forget that apoc is a telepath.

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question for you, wwh took on almost every hero in marvel and came out on top but war hulk didnt take on anyone but juggernaut, whos stronger? 😕

did war hulk have a giant PIS machine helping him?

Originally posted by carver9
Theres plenty of proof since it was actually stated in the book that he is much stronger then he was before.

he was stronger than he had been previously in that actual book, not mainstream continuity... he has no strength feats so far that superman himself is definitely incapable of...

Lulz. Spite? The heralds, every time.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with thor bfring but answer this, when will he have time to do this with all these people overwhelming him and lets not forget that apoc is a telepath.

Originally posted by Badabing
The only stip is CIS is off. They start .5 km away. I happen to think that Thor has fought through TP enough imo to get the warp and bfr quick enough. Plus there's Superman blitzing since CIS is off. Just my take.

🙂 Cant argue against that.

Originally posted by carver9
🙂 Cant argue against that.

Originally posted by Raoul
did war hulk have a giant PIS machine helping him?

he was stronger than he had been previously in that actual book, not mainstream continuity... he has no strength feats so far that superman himself is definitely incapable of...

did war hulk have a giant PIS machine helping him?

I understand that he had celestial tech going on but who would you think is stronger War hulk or WWh?

he was stronger than he had been previously in that actual book, not mainstream continuity... he has no strength feats so far that superman himself is definitely incapable of...

unless you have some kind of weights that state otherwise then allstar is stronger for now. He has numerous of feats that put him above mainstream.

Originally posted by carver9
😆

Now that was funny, superman stronger then hulk, damn that was funny. Show me superman punching through another dimension then I would consider him stronger then hulk. Or how about this, using nothing but pure strength to hold a planet together, that one feat alone is more then the weight that all star superman was stated that he could lift and hes stronger then main stream superman.

Hulk has the potential to be stronger than Superman, but not always.

You like to assume characters are not using their full power in scans(like the Flashes), prove Hulk was stronger than Superman in that comic. 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that he had celestial tech going on but who would you think is stronger War hulk or WWh?

unless you have some kind of weights that state otherwise then allstar is stronger for now. He has numerous of feats that put him above mainstream.

wwh almost lost to stark, would war hulk have lost?

what feats? because there's been nothing definitive to state all star is any considerable amount stronger than standard superman...

How are Iron Man and Namor doing anything? Are we forgetting that Iron Man had to walk back to SHIELD after getting one-shotted by Thor? And that Supes would be at least that strong, and likely faster?

After a few seconds, this is a lopsided 2-on-2 fight. Dimenionsal portal BFR's are fancy, but not needed to the point that I'm laughing at people discussing it.

Originally posted by Badabing
I think if Apoc was given a good run where he displays more powers than making horsemen we could have a great battle. Sarcasm but you get what I mean. Marvel seems to love taking good characters and jobbing them out. 😬

Totally agree.