Bob Lee Swagger versus Batman

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swagger is a sniper, man, he has thermal goggles too. Lets say the Bat is canny enough to avoid the sniper fire, AND claymores. You think Swagger is gonna MISS with his G-36? He will tear the Bat to pieces, plain and simple. And who said this fight is at night?

You're saying Batman would go after Swagger, he'd most likely go during the night, he's...ya know...Batman afterall.

Regardless, you've given the impression that you believe Swagger would win, I respect that, I don't agree with it, so I think Bats would win, stop trying to prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tell me, what does the Bat do? At night, what does he busy himself with?

I don't even know what to makee of this question. I hope you know he's a comic/movie character.

Originally posted by Scythe
You're saying Batman would go after Swagger, he'd most likely go during the night, he's...ya know...Batman afterall.

Regardless, you've given the impression that you believe Swagger would win, I respect that, I don't agree with it, so I think Bats would win, stop trying to prove otherwise.

I don't even know what to makee of this question. I hope you know he's a comic/movie character.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This is what the thread is for, you saying how Bat would win, me saying how Swagger would win. "He just would, he's the Bat!!!" is WEAK.

I'm sure I've posted several ways Batman would win this. Element of surprise, restraining Swagger, outsmarting Swagger, I'm not a firm believer in "Yeah, Bats would do that, but Swagger WILL do this against him!!!zomg!!" That's your favorite tactic.

If you must rest easy than here's how things might possibly turn out. Batman knows Swagger is in AK, he has Alfred spot him from the Batcave via satellite. Alfred can do this, since it was featured in his fight with Deadshot which is an extension to Batman Begins. Since we're throwing in the novels Swagger was featured in, why not toss in Gotham Knight, since it was a movie, it was more than an hour long for god's sake.

So he has Alfred spot him, thermal detection can be utilized by Alfred as well as sonic waves, since Bale's Batman had the high frequency "bat ears" in Begins.

Keep in mind Batman is not a CHARGE RIGHT AT 'EM kind of man, he has more skill than that. Bat's visors can detect C4 or any other type of explosive, which he can disarm.

I might believe Swagger might get a shot on Bats, maybe not in the face since Batman tries to avoid that. He knows how to handle snipers.

One shot, and that gives away his location, even if he chooses a new location, it become a game of cat and mouse. Once Bats gets close enough, sniper rifles are useless, thus restraints come into play. Batman doesn't kill, this is something Batman DOESN'T do.

And well, that's it. Take it or leave it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Bat hunts down and brings criminals to justice, he goes after them, correct?

The Dark Knight

Batman has sonar technology that gives him a 3D representation of his surroundings - e.g of the whole building he is in.

He also has other new tricks, but I wouldn't want to spoil it for you guys who havent watched it.

Good game.

Originally posted by Placidity
The Dark Knight

Batman has sonar technology that gives him a 3D representation of his surroundings - e.g of the whole building he is in.

He also has other new tricks, but I wouldn't want to spoil it for you guys who havent watched it.

Good game.

Exactly what I brought up, his Bat persona doesn't just stop at his image.

Originally posted by Scythe
I'm sure I've posted several ways Batman would win this. Element of surprise, restraining Swagger, outsmarting Swagger, I'm not a firm believer in "Yeah, Bats would do that, but Swagger WILL do this against him!!!zomg!!" That's your favorite tactic.

If you must rest easy than here's how things might possibly turn out. Batman knows Swagger is in AK, he has Alfred spot him from the Batcave via satellite. Alfred can do this, since it was featured in his fight with Deadshot which is an extension to Batman Begins. Since we're throwing in the novels Swagger was featured in, why not toss in Gotham Knight, since it was a movie, it was more than an hour long for god's sake.

So he has Alfred spot him, thermal detection can be utilized by Alfred as well as sonic waves, since Bale's Batman had the high frequency "bat ears" in Begins.

Keep in mind Batman is not a CHARGE RIGHT AT 'EM kind of man, he has more skill than that. Bat's visors can detect C4 or any other type of explosive, which he can disarm.

I might believe Swagger might get a shot on Bats, maybe not in the face since Batman tries to avoid that. He knows how to handle snipers.

One shot, and that gives away his location, even if he chooses a new location, it become a game of cat and mouse. Once Bats gets close enough, sniper rifles are useless, thus restraints come into play. Batman doesn't kill, this is something Batman DOESN'T do.

And well, that's it. Take it or leave it.

Bat can disarm explosives, sure, but claymores can be activated remotely, or didnt you know that? How is he gonna disarm it if Swagger sees him approaching, waits for the right moment, then BOOM?

If it gets up close and personal, Bat is finished. Google what a H&K G36 is and get back to me. Swagger will NOT miss up close and personal. If anything, he is even MORE deadly with a machine gun than he is sniping.

Cat and mouse? Dude, Watch shooter, I implore you. Cat and Mouse in Swaggers backyard, a game he excels at? Thats a hoot.

He doesn't exactly hunt them down, he does detective work, and more than often they come to him by dropping him hints, invitations and even straight up attacking him. If anything, most of the crime he encounters is spur of the moment. "looks what's going on over there" type of events.

Originally posted by Placidity
The Dark Knight

Batman has sonar technology that gives him a 3D representation of his surroundings - e.g of the whole building he is in.

He also has other new tricks, but I wouldn't want to spoil it for you guys who havent watched it.

Good game.

Thought not. Dead Knight.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Stick to the conditions of the thread, please. Yeah I know, whaa whaa Bats is gimped here, whaa whaa I dont wanna admit that Bat loses, but this is MORE than a fair matchup. Bat can TRY to avoid a face shot all he wants, fact is, Swagger specializes in head shots, whether its with a rifle, machine gun or pistol.

Bat can disarm explosives, sure, but claymores can be activated remotely, or didnt you know that? How is he gonna disarm it if Swagger sees him approaching, waits for the right moment, then BOOM?

If it gets up close and personal, Bat is finished. Google what a H&K G36 is and get back to me. Swagger will NOT miss up close and personal. If anything, he is even MORE deadly with a machine gun than he is sniping.

Cat and mouse? Dude, Watch shooter, I implore you. Cat and Mouse in Swaggers backyard, a game he excels at? Thats a hoot.

Bat can do all the homework on Swagger, but in this matchup Bat loses.

Ummm, okay... I don't know how you wish to prevail on achieving reconsideration by using demanding questions. It's a false logic in my eyes. By this time you must realize that an opinion has been cast and nothing other than high amounts of cash can ever pursuade it differently. At least for me. I recommend getting more formal with other people's opinions.

Dodge.

Batman wins.

Spoiler:
imo, i've described how....

The way you're saying it Rogue, you would have us thinking that any trained special forces trooper could take Batman. And you know how bullshit that is.

Also, on a side note - Batman fights guys with guns (g36) upclose all the time.

Originally posted by Placidity
The way you're saying it Rogue, you would have us thinking that any trained special forces trooper could take Batman. And you know how bullshit that is.

Also, on a side note - Batman fights guys with guns (g36) upclose all the time.

He's hellbent on Swagger winning and changing the opinions of those who say otherwise, you won't get through to him.

Swagger escapes Gotham to his home state of Arkansas, and decides to make a stand there. He arms himself with a .50 caliber sniper rifle, H&K G36 assault rifle, as well as two .45 automatics as sidearms. He also has all the standard sniper gear: Ghille suits, claymores, the works.

you've been playing far too much call of duty 4

lol. Seems you are right. I did a little search and all the weapons he mentioned are indeed in CoD4. But they are pretty common weapons anyway.

He just watched the movie...

and creepily knows alot about guns and artillary...

G36 is a pretty common weapon. Although most special forces don't use it.

Its funny cause I was just watching Shooter last night. I'm pretty sure Swagger does use a .5 in the end. Don't think any other round could take out a limb with one shot like that.

On another note, that movie stole a few elements from the Bourne movies.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I should probably state that the road only leads so far, that Batman must exit his vehicle and pursue Swagger on foot at a certain point. Also that claymores have been placed at strategic locations throughout the woods, claymores that would shred the Bat if steps into their blast radius.

And why exactly doesn't Batman not just use some other way of getting there.

I'd assume he did.

But I guess, in your scenario, where you made Batman an idiot, Swagger might have a slight chance. In any other, Batman would take it easy.

For your next thread I'd propose this scenario: "Batman is strapped to a bench with no way of escaping. The guy you choose to be matched against him has a desert eagle in his hand pointing at Batman's exposed face. Who would win?"

You have a better chance with a pistol than a sniper against the batman

imo

ermm

Originally posted by Placidity
The way you're saying it Rogue, you would have us thinking that any trained special forces trooper could take Batman. And you know how bullshit that is.

Also, on a side note - Batman fights guys with guns (g36) upclose all the time.

He took out a big ass assault chopper with a rifle, man, that speaks volumes for his skills.

Originally posted by Scythe
He just watched the movie...

and creepily knows alot about guns and artillary...