Bob Lee Swagger versus Batman

Originally posted by Bardock42
And why exactly doesn't Batman not just use some other way of getting there.

I'd assume he did.

But I guess, in your scenario, where you made Batman an idiot, Swagger might have a slight chance. In any other, Batman would take it easy.

For your next thread I'd propose this scenario: "Batman is strapped to a bench with no way of escaping. The guy you choose to be matched against him has a desert eagle in his hand pointing at Batman's exposed face. Who would win?"

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I just used the Batmobile off the top of my head. Bat Jet (or whatever they call it) I suppose?

Oh, okay, Batman then. Sneaks up on the guy and punches him out flat. Good times.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, okay, Batman then. Sneaks up on the guy and punches him out flat. Good times.

Someone has Bat fever.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riiiight. Bat negotiates his way past the sniper fire, past the claymores, and sneaks up on him. 🙄

Someone has Bat fever.

Nah, you just want Batman to lose. He is certainly capable of such stunning feats. Swagger wouldn't stand a chance, in a scenario where Batman can scheme his approach.

RJ, you act as if batman only goes against petty little liquor store robbers and can't manage anything more hardcore...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, you just want Batman to lose. He is certainly capable of such stunning feats. Swagger wouldn't stand a chance, in a scenario where Batman can scheme his approach.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
RJ, you act as if batman only goes against petty little liquor store robbers and can't manage anything more hardcore...

See, this makes me laugh, Batman fans not being able to accept that if the Bat's foe doesn't have super powers and a pair of tights, that they stand no chance against him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am merely trying to point out that the Bat can be beaten by a normal man, something which Batman fans cannot seem to accept.

Doesn't mean that he would be beaten by Swagger in this scenario (he wouldn't)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thats the thing though. Bob Lee Swagger is more than just some special forces trainee, he is the elite of the elite, pretty close to Rambo is terms of being a badass, if you read the novels you would know this.

I don't think novels are movies. You cannot branch out a character's abilities with things that weren't in a movie. It's called the movie versus forum for a reason.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can accept that.

Doesn't mean that he would be beaten by Swagger in this scenario (he wouldn't)

Also, you really think Swagger would be prone to being snuck up on?

If the Bat attacks in his Jet, Swagger will merely shoot him out of the air, you have to remember he shot down a heavily armored attack chopper.

Swagger can make head shots from a thousand yards out, leading up to a mile. Up close and personal, whether it's with an assault rifle or pistols, he is even more deadly.

There is a particular part in the novel "Point of Impact" where Swagger takes on a small army of mercs while he is armed only with a bolt action sniper rifle. He takes them all out, and leading up to this battle, he escapes a house armed only with a .45, taking out several heavily armed mercs along the way, all headshots, while on the run.

Thing is, I am betting you have seen Shooter and not read the novels, ALL of the novels, and have only seen the tip of the iceberg when talking about what he is capable of.

Originally posted by Scythe
I don't think novels are movies. You cannot branch out a character's abilities with things that weren't in a movie. It's called the movie versus forum for a reason.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never said that, when did I say that?

See, this makes me laugh, Batman fans not being able to accept that if the Bat's foe doesn't have super powers and a pair of tights, that they stand no chance against him.

But you ARE saying for one... You can beat batman yourself

this just makes me laugh

and 2... swagger can beat batman, which he cannot

and your scenarios are just rediculous as well like Bardock stated

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Juat because you dont "think" it doesnt mean it's not allowed.

You think Batman doesn't have novels? That's where fanboys make him insanely great, so you just planted Swagger's doom by 'allowing' novels along with films.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I don't recall saying you said that.

But you ARE saying for one... You can beat batman yourself

this just makes me laugh

and 2... swagger can beat batman, which he cannot

and your scenarios are just rediculous as well like Bardock stated

If I were to go toe to toe with him, of course I have no chance, he would make me his Batb1tch.

Originally posted by Scythe
You think Batman doesn't have novels? That's where fanboys make him insanely great, so you just planted Swagger's doom by 'allowing' novels along with films.

Besides, if you dont like the conditions of the fight, why waste energy posting and whining about it?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I allowed Swaggers novels, and I allowed the movie versions of Batman. I did this because everyone knows about Batman, while few know about Swagger.

Besides, if you dont like the conditions of the fight, why waste energy posting and whining about it?

Who's whining about anything? Your scenario sucks balls. Batman's a mental patient in your scenerio. You have this ho-hum sniper guy who was in one movie, armed to the teeth, thought of everything, and you have Batman...just down the road... Has to get out of his Batmobile and walk stupidly towards Swagger possibly going: "Potato!!! Rox-Rox!"

And even though we're telling you that Bats can still win in this scenerio you're not willing to accept it.

Look RJ, these Vs. threads are meant to have a scenerio, which you provided, then there needs to have input from posters saying who they think would win. They need to describe how the person they've chosen would win in their opinion and that's it, they post it. I highly doubt you have to go around arguing with everyone that "no, you chose the wrong guy, Bats has to lose"

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never knew the Bat could dodge bullets, when did he become Neo like?

He can't. Swagger just won't get a shot in.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Also, you really think Swagger would be prone to being snuck up on?

By Batman? Yes. Yes absolutely.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If the Bat attacks in his Jet, Swagger will merely shoot him out of the air, you have to remember he shot down a heavily armored attack chopper.

Doubt that would work on any Batplane, but it was just an example, Batman would probably think of something a million times better anyways.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Swagger can make head shots from a thousand yards out, leading up to a mile. Up close and personal, whether it's with an assault rifle or pistols, he is even more deadly.

He is good, just not nearly as good as Batman.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There is a particular part in the novel "Point of Impact" where Swagger takes on a small army of mercs while he is armed only with a bolt action sniper rifle. He takes them all out, and leading up to this battle, he escapes a house armed only with a .45, taking out several heavily armed mercs along the way, all headshots, while on the run.

Are we taking non-film examples in now? Are you sure you want to go that road with the Batman?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thing is, I am betting you have seen Shooter and not read the novels, ALL of the novels, and have only seen the tip of the iceberg when talking about what he is capable of.

True, but if you are going to bring in novels, why leave out Batman's?

Originally posted by Scythe
Who's whining about anything? Your scenario sucks balls. Batman's a mental patient in your scenerio. You have this ho-hum sniper guy who was in one movie, armed to the teeth, thought of everything, and you have Batman...just down the road... Has to get out of his Batmobile and walk stupidly towards Swagger possibly going: "Potato!!! Rox-Rox!"

And even though we're telling you that Bats can still win in this scenerio you're not willing to accept it.

Look RJ, these Vs. threads are meant to have a scenerio, which you provided, then there needs to have input from posters saying who they think would win. They need to describe how the person they've chosen would win in their opinion and that's it, they post it. I highly doubt you have to go around arguing with everyone that "no, you chose the wrong guy, Bats has to lose"

If the Bat is as badass as you make him out to be, he wouldnt just walk towards Swagger, would he? Swagger wouldnt need that anyway, any man who can take out a small army of 125 men can easily give the Bat a good fight, and, possibly, defeat him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have no problem with accepting that maybe the Bat wins, but when someone assumes he wins because he is the Bat, only for that reason, I dont accept it.

If the Bat is as badass as you make him out to be, he wouldnt just walk towards Swagger, would he? Swagger wouldnt need that anyway, any man who can take out a small army of 125 men can easily give the Bat a good fight, and, possibly, defeat him.

Not the Comic Version.

But yeah, the movie version probably, still Batman would likely win, he is just better.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He can't. Swagger just won't get a shot in.

By Batman? Yes. Yes absolutely.

Doubt that would work on any Batplane, but it was just an example, Batman would probably think of something a million times better anyways.

He is good, just not nearly as good as Batman.

Are we taking non-film examples in now? Are you sure you want to go that road with the Batman?

True, but if you are going to bring in novels, why leave out Batman's?