Dawn of War 2

I wouldn't worry, if it's too weird or if it doesn't work they'll patch it and change it. I remember the first Dawn of War went through some pretty drastic changes with patches.

Have they announced which races will be available from the start?

So whats the games release? on Amazon and Play.com it seems they are expecting it to be late Feb?

Think that's accurate.

Yup- beta starts on the 21st, release a month later seems practical.

Yes, all races I mentioned above are available from the start. Others- soon. Ish.

Yes indeed patching will help. But the lack of 2v2 maps is harder to deal with- and it's a shame if they have indeed cocked up the single player campaign, seeing how much they went on about it. Still waiting to see what SCII can come up with there.

Going from just the gameplay videos, SCII looks like SCI with better graphics and new units is all, which is fine for me personally as Starcraft is my favorite RTS of all time. But, I think that DoWII will beat it out, at least they're doing something different.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yup- beta starts on the 21st, release a month later seems practical.

Yes, all races I mentioned above are available from the start. Others- soon. Ish.

Yes indeed patching will help. But the lack of 2v2 maps is harder to deal with- and it's a shame if they have indeed cocked up the single player campaign, seeing how much they went on about it. Still waiting to see what SCII can come up with there.

So those four races you mentioned? I was hoping for the Chaos Marines, they were my favorite.

Blizzard do say they have big plans for SCII single player. But I agree, multiplayer SCII just looks like the same thing again but shinier, which is why I have been more interested in DoWII.

But if they've messed it up, I'll happily admit that.

just installed dawn of war and winter assault on my laptop (not easy with vista, so now i have all four installed). reactivated my steam account.

need to get on to that beta...

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Going from just the gameplay videos, SCII looks like SCI with better graphics and new units is all, which is fine for me personally as Starcraft is my favorite RTS of all time. But, I think that DoWII will beat it out, at least they're doing something different.

hm I dont think so dude (in the "looks the same with SC1 with better graphics" bit, whether or not it beats DoW2 I dont mind ,ill be gettin both 😄 ), I mean it has a load of new mechanics such as super units (Thor, mothership) and last time I heard the mothership may have regained its cool abilities but balanced in a diffrent way but I dont know if thats official.

But theres tonnes of cool mechanics, such as the blinklike teleport of the Dark dragoon things, the interesting use of Nydus canales that burst out of the ground, Pylon teleportation etc etc

other interesting mechanics that are more minor like customisaton (choosing area pulse lasers on Battlecruiser or Yamato single shot blast) combined with simply cool additions like double build cues for Terrans (afaik)

Yeah but like I said it's just nicer graphics with new units... The actual game mechanics themselves don't look different it's just new units with new abilities and old units revamped with new abilities.

But to be fair DOW 2 is not vastly diffrent, its very very similiar to Company of heroes now, so the mechanics of DOW 2 are more new to the DOW series, not gaming in general because Company of heroes has most of the newer things.

ofc mechanics in all sequels are often the same, I mean to be fair if you changed Starcraft too much, it may as well be another game entirely.

I agree. Hence it doesn't bother me.

Matter of fact I just won a 3v3 match.

I nuked my own base and destroyed a fleet of carriers 😱

http://au.pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14243516/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-ii/videos/ces2009sync_dow2_com_010809.html

This seems to answer a few questions, and looks fun as hell.

Originally posted by Burning thought
But to be fair DOW 2 is not vastly diffrent

Err...

Yes it is, very considerably. It might have the same suppression fire/cover mechanics as COH but it's a very great change from both games.

SCII looks consoderably mroe similar to SCI. Just naming new units doesn't change that.

How is it diffrent?

So far apart from the singel actual base building and war gear system (although that can still be in a way attirbuted to outfitting your soldiers on the battlefield in COH) DOW 2 looks very very alike to COH, I mean it has the suprression/cover mechanics, it looks like its just COH only with DOW skins and a improved engine graphically, but in COH you could break objects in the terrain with tanks and vehichles, you could cover etc, so ive not seen anything truly remarkably diffrent in the gameplay itself.

DoW 2 is different to DoW. SC2 is not different to SC.

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That massive Tyranid swarm could be just 1 person, it looks like their basic units die pretty easily and that was only against Orks, Space Marines would probably chew through them all.

Originally posted by Burning thought
How is it diffrent?

So far apart from the singel actual base building and war gear system (although that can still be in a way attirbuted to outfitting your soldiers on the battlefield in COH) DOW 2 looks very very alike to COH, I mean it has the suprression/cover mechanics, it looks like its just COH only with DOW skins and a improved engine graphically, but in COH you could break objects in the terrain with tanks and vehichles, you could cover etc, so ive not seen anything truly remarkably diffrent in the gameplay itself.

Just go re-read the thread; the frankly vast differences in the entire base game mechanic have been made clear.

Originally posted by MIŠT
DoW 2 is different to DoW. SC2 is not different to SC.

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That massive Tyranid swarm could be just 1 person, it looks like their basic units die pretty easily and that was only against Orks, Space Marines would probably chew through them all.

but Dow 2 is simply reusing most of the aspects of CoH which is the point, DOW 2 is not massively innovative just like SC 2 is not likely going to be. Both DOW 2 and SC 2 have diffrent types of campaigns which are fairly unique to older games yet the mechanics are all similiar.

Originally posted by MIŠT
http://au.pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14243516/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-ii/videos/ces2009sync_dow2_com_010809.html

This seems to answer a few questions, and looks fun as hell.

looks good 👆

now i just have to decide between being a commander or a tech marine... i've never been a rush type player. i like to capture points on the map and solidify my hold on the position, sorting out defences and such...

Originally posted by Burning thought
DOW 2 is not massively innovative

That's simply either ignorance or a ile. How you can say that after the massive changes in the whoile base of the game is beyond me. Frankly you look ludicrous with such a claim.