Star Wars: The Old Republic [KOTOR MMO]

Started by Ushgarak64 pages

For multiplayer purposes, yeah. I'm on an EU server of course.

Well I started playing. I go to level 5 and decided to just subscribe. I got 500 cartel coins and have no idea what the best thing to buy with them is. Any suggestions?

Rocket boost. It lets you speed up indoors, where speeders aren't allowed.

If you can't find it, it'll be under your legacy tab, which you unlock at level 10 iirc.

Finished the Smuggler story today. Was all right, but I would say the weakest of the stories I've done so far (all but the Bounty Hunter one at this point). It did have a stronger third act though, which I liked.

I was playing last night, middle of the night gaming session, and something was off and seemed strange that I couldn't put my finger on. I realized today what it was. There's no day/night cycle in the game. Coming from WoW that made it seem weird, running around on Tython in the middle of the night, yet in game it was sunny.

Fun game though, it looks a lot nicer than when I last played it, and the combat seems faster and more exciting.

No day/night cycle (trickier on multiple worlds but still a shame) and a very static world- nothing dynamic, the posed gunfights look staged and weird, the world mostly feels sterile and hollow. Compared to GW2's dynamic world on release, SWTOR loses out big time.

There's a lot SWTOR didn't do very well, and I am always amazed I ended up liking it more than GW2. I was going to put all that in my MMO review-a-thon if I ever got around to it. It basically comes down to core things that work well, levels of emotional engagement and easy small group multiplayer vs. lots of things you might think are critically important but actually you can live without.

I wouldn't say no to another Star Wars MMO that was more ambitious in the mechanical sense, though (SWTOR was a very conservative WoW-a-like in that respect, right when many other MMOs were trying new things). What with the new Disney franchise brining a whole new life to Star Wars, I expect a new MMO to come sometime in the next decade.

One thing that is clear, though, is that the makers very much appreciate what did not work, and pretty much every release of late has- as much as can be done inside the engine- tried to push back against what doesn't work and focus on what does.

Tython means Light Side again- actually Tython is the dullest starting world (and hence is the best one to do first, because then you don't notice until you try, say. Korriban). Have you tried the Imperial side? Their capital world, Dromund Kaas (second world you go to) is awesome. Far better than Republic Coruscant (which has a nice central area but beyond that it is all brown buildings and criminal gangs- wooo so exciting...)

I've only tried The Republic. I'll do Imperial after. The world definitely is static though, even compared to the recent WoW expansion which took a lot of the better things GW2 did and applied it to to its own world. I wonder if this game will do something similar with the coming expansion. Having a more lively world and a greater emphasis on exploration would be cool since the game does look nice and the world does seem like one that would be fit to explore.

A lot of people seem to think that Bioware might do a TOR 2 within the next couple of years since apparently the engine used in this game is considered a pretty nasty detriment to the game, and one of the greatest failings. Things do feel kinda clunky and weightless, animations don't flow very well and all that, and performance isn't as good as it should be, considering the game doesn't seem very technologically advanced. I'd be interested to see what they did with a sequel.

I also hear that this game is no longer considered canon. That was news to me, I wonder if they made a new one if that would be considered canon.

It was never really canon- it was an EU-inspired extension, so canon was always in question, and now the whole EU has been dumped as official canon anyway. But it never really mattered, what with SWTOR being so far in the past, and much of their Jedi characterisation was already considerably distant from the films; they are making their own world.

Well, the latest expac announcement- turning it into an episodic game- makes a sequel seem a bit more distant than the imminent rumours that were going around. It looked like they were starting to wrap up all loose ends, but now they are starting a whole new storyline. Unless it totally fails, of course, but the signs are good. But in the medium to long term a new game is inevitable- I am unsure about a sequel though. Marketing would demand it be in the new canon film universe, though we';ve yet to see what the Jedi/Dark Jedi status is in the new films and you don't want to make Galaxies' mistake of a basically Jedi-less setting that you stupidly shoehorn Jedi into.

As for the engine- yeah it's certainly not brilliant compared to stuff like GW2 but I think some people greatly overstate its issues. It can do what the game is good at, it just limits where it can go.

I see, I always thought EU was considered canon. I guess officially not being canon frees them up to do some pretty off the wall things with the story, like this next expansion. Probably not a premise that would have happened if they were considered canon.

I like the way the new expansion sounds. Mostly focusing on solo content is a smart move. Embracing what makes the game good and kinda creating their own little niche in the MMO genre.

Yeah I'm certainly interested, but I won't pay a regular sub for it. I'll probably grab all the episodes once per year or something.

I was planning to drop my subscription once i'd finished the 8 stories... No bloody point now.

I've not been able to keep up to date with all the changes that have happened to SWTOR since I stopped playing (Nov. 2013) so I haven't quite understood the deal with soloing Flashpoints. I gather that you're now able to do Flashpoints solo if you're only interested in the story, is this the case for ALL Flashpoints or just a select few? Also, what about operations?

Also, I saw someone posted a storyline guide on reddit for SWTOR, which to me looks pretty useful for getting the proper story when doing Flashpoints (not like when I stumbled into the Last Emperor flashpoint sometime last time I played and having no idea why we were fighting the guy we were working for before...).:

The only Flashpoints you can solo by design are the plot-critical ones released for the Prelude to Shadow of Revan and Shadow of Revan itself. It works by giving you a super-robot to help you though the FP, but once you get pas the point in the storyline you can't use the robot again (I think).

They talked of backporting it to earlier FPs that were plot relevant but nothing of that yet.

A lot of the early FPs are story irrelevant. Generally speaking, though, if you are worried about plot, you should never start an FP you haven't had a briefing for- they allow you just to take the quest and start them anyway but you generally get a feel for when you have skipped ahead. The briefing will be elsewhere. There's no way to miss the plot for something like False Emperor if you are playing through the story and they would specifically direct you to the FP at the right time.

Honestly, I just wait til I'm 10-15 levels ahead of them, and then I solo them myself. I would like to see them offer the droid for the early ones, though.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
A lot of the early FPs are story irrelevant. Generally speaking, though, if you are worried about plot, you should never start an FP you haven't had a briefing for- they allow you just to take the quest and start them anyway but you generally get a feel for when you have skipped ahead. The briefing will be elsewhere. There's no way to miss the plot for something like False Emperor if you are playing through the story and they would specifically direct you to the FP at the right time.

Yeah I cannot remember how I ended up in that situation, as I normally play through everything.

I might be mixing my MMOs up, but does SWTOR now have a Flashpoint group finding application? If so then maybe I was testing that thing out.

Anyway, sorry to hear that it's not a general thing for all Flashpoints, but getting a group together isn't necessarily that difficult.

By the way, I think I am/was on the Tomb of Freedon Nadd server, what are you guys?

I'm on Ebon Hawk. Been thinking about diversifying my servers though. transferring a character over to another, and such.

Originally posted by Morridini
Yeah I cannot remember how I ended up in that situation, as I normally play through everything.

I might be mixing my MMOs up, but does SWTOR now have a Flashpoint group finding application? If so then maybe I was testing that thing out.

Anyway, sorry to hear that it's not a general thing for all Flashpoints, but getting a group together isn't necessarily that difficult.

By the way, I think I am/was on the Tomb of Freedon Nadd server, what are you guys?

Indeed, group finder can definitely do it, so you should always de-select any FP you haven't had the briefing for from it.

Starting Tuesday, all character transfers will be 90% off, and will cost 90 cartel coins a pop.

Really nice move, imo.

Very cool, I just reinstalled SWTOR now and logged on for the first time. My old friends list was deserted, my guild doesn't exist anymore, so this seems like the perfect time to migrate.

So my characters are at Tomb of Freedon Nadd, Prs are at Ebon Hawk, where are Ush and Backfire (although he might be on the NA servers)?

I'm on Harbinger.

I'm on The Progenitor.