Originally posted by CosmicCometGet on Skype you lesbian.
No, my feat for Link is that an army of demon swordsmen, archers, grenadiers, giant pikemen, and undead dual sword wielding skeletons were expected to do no better against Link than be an adequate stall for time--and in the end, they were even less than adequate at that.Please don't use usless buzzwords in order to discredit something. Afterall, what does that say about Tir, who has far less than even that?
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All right, Blight and T.
I have a proposal. You guys seem fairly confident Tir can win this, so what say we pick a Link and debate this with that one specific link from here on out.
I suggest Skyward Sword Link, Twilight Princess Link, or Ocarina of Time Link.
We already have Skyward feats in here, so that would be easiest, imho. 🙂
Ah, so essentially in the rules of this forum we can only go by feats which renders character useless when they have none. So Link could beat say, Shadow from Final Fantasy in nothing but hand to hand due to shadow having no feats. Works for debate I suppose, but not for anything with common sense. Congratulations on winning the debate, I suppose. Doesn't change what would actually happen 🙂
So, how about that "protection from Twilight" thing the Master Sword showed? With some help from the Triforce of Courage, Link does have proven supernatural resistances that do not affect only evil effects. Until the Soul Eater shows some way to pierce that resistance, I'm leaning towards the Master Sword no selling its ability.
As for fighting ability, skill is indeed difficult to quantify. Which is why I won't try and instead give Link's abilities:
Ocarina of Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48AEDFgH4jY#t=3m42s
Link's strength with Golden Gauntlets is through the roof. Enough to make up for a skill difference? Maybe, maybe not, but that would be rather difficult to block.
Wind Waker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkS1GFQhldc#t=2m48s
Similar item, but a little less strength. Still wouldn't want him to hit you, though.
Twilight Princess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE6x19jE6Vk#t=1m6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJACleGuOs#t=4m37s
Twilight Princess Link is unique for being freakishly strong without an item, which is pretty nice. Tossing armored guys made of rock and large icebergs around is some good strength.
Skyward Sword
This one is more powerscaling, I freely admit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJBMUyekvhk#t=28s
Ghirahim is capable of blowing through large stone walls in his weakest form. By the end of the game, Link can overpower Ghirahim's strongest form, often knocking him off balance when they clash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHtO9q7s66o#t=4m9s
Originally posted by The ScenarioGod, I love you sometimes. I was going to post that last one myself.
So, how about that "protection from Twilight" thing the Master Sword showed? With some help from the Triforce of Courage, Link does have proven supernatural resistances that do not affect only evil effects. Until the Soul Eater shows some way to pierce that resistance, I'm leaning towards the Master Sword no selling its ability.As for fighting ability, skill is indeed difficult to quantify. Which is why I won't try and instead give Link's abilities:
[b]Ocarina of Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48AEDFgH4jY#t=3m42sLink's strength with Golden Gauntlets is through the roof. Enough to make up for a skill difference? Maybe, maybe not, but that would be rather difficult to block.
Wind Waker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkS1GFQhldc#t=2m48sSimilar item, but a little less strength. Still wouldn't want him to hit you, though.
Twilight Princess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE6x19jE6Vk#t=1m6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJACleGuOs#t=4m37sTwilight Princess Link is unique for being freakishly strong without an item, which is pretty nice. Tossing armored guys made of rock and large icebergs around is some good strength.
Skyward Sword
This one is more powerscaling, I freely admit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJBMUyekvhk#t=28sGhirahim is capable of blowing through large stone walls in his weakest form. By the end of the game, Link can overpower Ghirahim's strongest form, often knocking him off balance when they clash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHtO9q7s66o#t=4m9s [/B]
Was also going to mention
YouTube video The shield Ghirahim shatters after smashing through the wall is powerful enough to hold back millions of tons of water.
Link physically bests him. \o/
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Originally posted by Blight
Ah, so essentially in the rules of this forum we can only go by feats which renders character useless when they have none.
Absolutely. If you don't have feats, you lose. Unless there's some statements for implied power or powerscaling available to be involved. This goes for comic debates as well--only over there they simply allow more room for tolerating subjectivity than here.
So Link could beat say, Shadow from Final Fantasy in nothing but hand to hand due to shadow having no feats. Works for debate I suppose, but not for anything with common sense. Congratulations on winning the debate, I suppose. Doesn't change what would actually happen 🙂 [/B]
Don't know who the hell that is, but I'm amused by your butt hurt.
Why the hell would we give Tir the victory if he doesn't have the feats? lol. That's the only logic we have to present here.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Tir's largest advantage is nullified by something more powerful. This is what would actually happen. 😛
But it wouldn't. Until the master sword is partially responsible for the universe existing, I will never believe it is less powerful than the Soul Eater. But hold on to your opinion, for all the good it does.
Not butt hurt at all, just trying to understand things. I understand the whole feats thing, I just happen to think there are logical inconsistencies when talking about using only feats in videogames. Especially when it pertains to older RPG's. It essentially renders every RPG from the eighties through the mid nineties 100% ineffectual. It certainly isn't much of a true gauge, but I understand its all you van really quantify. Just kind of... Lame.
No but it neuters any potential debate you can have when you know who the clear winner is. If we went by implied power I suppose I could argue that since the soul eater is one of 27 things that made the universe, I guess I could argue that's more powerful than a blessing by angels, but it would be unquantifiable.
Again, I still know Tir would win. I just can't prove it by anything the forum would allow.
Yeah, it's just impossible to argue how powerful something is when all there is to go on is numbers that can't apply to other game universes. Implied power is nice (and to some extent usable) but it doesn't stand up to concrete feats.
'k, being one of 27 runes that created the universe is good. That's at least something to work with. The Master Sword has something similar. We all know it wrecks Ganon, the holder of the Triforce of Power. 1/3 of the Triforce, which is the Artifact of the goddesses who created the universe, and is capable of granting wishes and/or rewriting reality.
Triforce ~ creators of universe
Triforce of Power = 1/3 Triforce
Triforce of Power ~ 1/3 creators of universe
Master Sword > Triforce of Power
Master Sword > 1/3 Triforce
Master Sword > 1/3 creators of universe
That being the normal way of looking at it. In Skyward Sword, the Master Sword was also forged in the divine flames of the three goddesses as well. So is that good enough?
Originally posted by The Scenario
Yeah, it's just impossible to argue how powerful something is when all there is to go on is numbers that can't apply to other game universes. Implied power is nice (and to some extent usable) but it doesn't stand up to concrete feats.'k, being one of 27 runes that created the universe is good. That's at least something to work with. The Master Sword has something similar. We all know it wrecks Ganon, the holder of the Triforce of Power. 1/3 of the Triforce, which is the Artifact of the goddesses who created the universe, and is capable of granting wishes and/or rewriting reality.
Triforce ~ creators of universe
Triforce of Power = 1/3 Triforce
Triforce of Power ~ 1/3 creators of universe
Master Sword > Triforce of Power
Master Sword > 1/3 Triforce
Master Sword > 1/3 creators of universeThat being the normal way of looking at it. In Skyward Sword, the Master Sword was also forged in the divine flames of the three goddesses as well. So is that good enough?