Originally posted by Toku King
The whole basis of the thread is on bitching and moaning about a great film.
Batman's voice. It was just annoying.
Maggie, but that's mostly because Rachel is just not that likeable or interesting IMO.
I wish Two Face did not die, Aaron played an amazing performance, second only to the late Heath Ledger IMO, when he screamed,"It's about what's fair!!!" I felt all tingly.
But those are very minor when compared with the quality of the movie, I still give it a 10.
Hey all...i cant tell you guys and girls your wrong about your love of the movie...and you cant tell me i am wrong over my disapointment of this movie...but i think its a good thing to see both sides.....i could have just visited each of the batman threads raving about it and just opposed every ones opinion...i dont think taste can be judged to a certain extent....i noticed a thread about things you dont like about the Dark Knight......and i expressed myself......i dont like this movie
I hear people say that was the joker in Dark Knight.....but i have been reading batman for over thirty years...... and jacks joker was closer to the joker i know for over the 30 years that i have read batmans comics....maybe in recent times with comics getting grittier and the audience being so young they dont see it that way....and i ok with that
But i will speak my mind...and i expect you to do the same
I would rather watch batman and robin and batman forever over the Dark Knight....what can i say....i ilke my comic book movies to be like the comics they came from...not some vision of modern times.....i want gotham to feel like a comic...not like manhattan or chicago...yes elements of them sure...but thats me....i grew up watching the tv show from the 60's...and would watch that over this movie also
Anyway to each his own.....i am and always will be a huge batman fan....and have been for over 30 years.....and plan to be for another 30..batman is one the the best characters ever created in comics..i hope we can agree on that 😉
Originally posted by starlock
Hey all...i cant tell you guys and girls your wrong about your love of the movie...and you cant tell me i am wrong over my disapointment of this movie...but i think its a good thing to see both sides.....i could have just visited each of the batman threads raving about it and just opposed every ones opinion...i dont think taste can be judged to a certain extent....i noticed a thread about things you dont like about the Dark Knight......and i expressed myself......i dont like this movieI hear people say that was the joker in Dark Knight.....but i have been reading batman for over thirty years...... and jacks joker was closer to the joker i know for over the 30 years that i have read batmans comics....maybe in recent times with comics getting grittier and the audience being so young they dont see it that way....and i ok with that
But i will speak my mind...and i expect you to do the same
I would rather watch batman and robin and batman forever over the Dark Knight....what can i say....i ilke my comic book movies to be like the comics they came from...not some vision of modern times.....i want gotham to feel like a comic...not like manhattan or chicago...yes elements of them sure...but thats me....i grew up watching the tv show from the 60's...and would watch that over this movie also
Anyway to each his own.....i am and always will be a huge batman fan....and have been for over 30 years.....and plan to be for another 30..batman is one the the best characters ever created in comics..i hope we can agree on that 😉
i respect your thought but if you truley read batman for 30 years than how the hell can you say the 89 film beats the dark knight? i never touched a comic in my life and i even think the dark knight is the best.
Originally posted by TazzMission2023
i respect your thought but if you truley read batman for 30 years than how the hell can you say the 89 film beats the dark knight? i never touched a comic in my life and i even think the dark knight is the best.
Well, if you read the gritter graphic novels like The Long Halloween, Year One, The Killing Joke, and Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on a Serious Earth, you would know that the Nolan Franchise is FAR closer to the 'modern' Batman (that is, the Batman that was freed of the 50's campiness) than the '89 Batman. Forever and Batman and Robin are INSULTS to fans of the darker Batman. I mean, seriously- you and I obviously read different comics.
Now then. Nic's Joker is closer to comic book Joker than Ledger's Joker? Come ON. The Joker is not a campy killer; the Joker is a villainous mass-murderer obsessed with Batman and instilling chaos. Nicholson's Joker was a campy, not-very-threatening murderer; Ledger's was a psychopathic, scary clown who has no motive but to kill and instill chaos in the world. He also thinks that life is a joke; he is evidently smarter and more cunning than '89 Joker, intimidates everyone. Oh, and he's less human, more murderous, and- perhaps most importantly- IS NOT AFRAID OF DEATH, or physical pain. Now then, I wonder if we read the same Joker, because Heath's is far, far closer to the Joker in the graphic novels called 'the greatest Joker stories ever told'. Really- are you a fan of the campy Joker or the scary Joker? Heath's Joker is certainly the latter, the Joker that was portrayed in most modern stories.
So, y'see, The Dark Knight and Batman Begins are gritty, dark, and deep; that's the real Batman comics.
No offense, by the way. I don't have any problem with your opinion.
To be honest, the comic Joker is not the Joker portrayed by Nicholson in the 1989 Batman film, but nor is he the Joker that Heath Ledger portrayed in The Dark Knight. The character is often displayed as being closer to Ledger's, at least in some respects, but parts of Nicholson's character (certainly not all) are also prevalent in comic portrayals of the Joker, be that in the '30s, '70s, '90s or whenever.
I mean, Joker does not wear makeup, so you can't call Ledger's an exact mirror image of the comic character, but would that work on screen anyway?
I know I'm sitting on the fence a lot, so I'll say this:
As a film villain alone Ledger's Joker >>>> Nicholson's "Jack Napier".
Selina; well, the Joker is significantly different from issue to issue. I would agree that he is occasionally campy- to an annoying extent- but, if you want a 'continuity' story that has the Joker in brilliant form is No Man's Land. The Joker drove a cop nuts there, killed Gordon's wife, and proceeded to taunt Gordon into killing him. Yeah, killing him. Also, the Scarecrow once gassed the Joker, and the Joker's reaction was... absolutely nothing! The Joker is not afraid of anything.
Well, I suppose Arkham Asylum's explanation of the Joker constantly changing makes sense, I guess. He can be scared of death one day, and not scared of death the other.
Bauer, I agree that Ledger's isn't 100% comic book Joker, but maybe that's a good thing. I think that he occasionally manages to transcend above the typical 'comic book Joker'.
Oh, and check out The Clown at Midnight. Very, very similar to Heath's Joker. Very, very good and eerie.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Well, it gives us new opportunies to exploit in the inevitable Batman 3.By the way, I think that Reaper would be the best choice as the villain.
Good point. I really like your idea, but yeah. A guy who stalks people and kills them with scythes is more horror movie than Batman movie, though Nolan did show us he could occasionally cross the oddly thin line in TDK.
Really, does it take much imagination to picture the Joker as a killer in a horror movie? Still, I think the Reaper IS a bit far-fetched from them to use. Sad.