Things You Did Not Like About the Dark Knight?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
-I didn't like two-face's quick entrance/exit

-Batman's headmask.

-Batman's nasal growl when he spoke low, especially when it was breathy.

-Alfred's constant sarcam.

-Rachel's ugly face

-That the Scarecrow wasn't left in.

-Bruce's constant and condecesnding, nonchalant flamboyance

-Bruce inward facing, upper teeth (lol j/k)

-The word "batarang"

-That they didn't show the Joker cutting into that guys cheek.

-When the Joker burned all that money over a "sending message". (wtf? fcuk the message, gimme the loot!"😉

um..yea. that's about it.

- Two Face was done brilliantly. I disagree with the argument over the quick exit...

- What was wrong with the mask?

- The voice was occasionally a little... silly. Not a big deal though, IMO.

- Michael Caine FTW. And it's irony.

- Rachel wasn't ugly at all. Honestly. Teenagers. 🙄

- I liked Scarecrow's brief appearance. He was already in Begins. What did you expect them do? Give him half a film and shaft the Joker?

- Condescending flamboyance? 😑

- Ha. Funny joke.

- Either a pathetic attempt at humour, or even more pathetic whining. Did the word Batarang actually appear in the film?

- Oh no, poor child, did you not see enough blood? Gosh, I pity you. However, I will also point out that this is a BATMAN film and WB were hardly going to release it as an 18...

- Did you watch the film? Did you grasp the concept of the Joker's character, at all? Why would he give a flying **** about money? He didn't care about his own or others' lives, and he certainly didn't care about cash.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
- Two Face was done brilliantly. I disagree with the argument over the quick exit...

- What was wrong with the mask?

- The voice was occasionally a little... silly. Not a big deal though, IMO.

- Michael Caine FTW. And it's irony.

- Rachel wasn't ugly at all. Honestly. Teenagers. 🙄

- I liked Scarecrow's brief appearance. He was already in Begins. What did you expect them do? Give him half a film and shaft the Joker?

- Condescending flamboyance? 😑

- Ha. Funny joke.

- Either a pathetic attempt at humour, or even more pathetic whining. Did the word Batarang actually appear in the film?

- Oh no, poor child, did you not see enough blood? Gosh, I pity you. However, I will also point out that this is a BATMAN film and WB were hardly going to release it as an 18...

- Did you watch the film? Did you grasp the concept of the Joker's character, at all? Why would he give a flying **** about money? He didn't care about his own or others' lives, and he certainly didn't care about cash.

Whoa. You seem offended. Just answering the thread question. I apologize. As a token i'll answer all your questions, unfamiliar one.

- I never had an issue with 2-face himself. Just wished he wasn't offed so soon, is all.

- And the mask?, "I" didn't find it appealing. Shoot me. To me it's too round. My take.

- The voice was the voice. In the comics and 'toons Bruce sounds the same way Batman does.

- And irony's fine with Alfred, the constancy of it was what was annoying.

- And Rachel's face is busted. She's gonna be an ugly ass older woman. She looks like a bulldog. She sweet and a good actress but not something to look at, imo. She just needs sharp teeth to stick outta her lower jaw and she'd be a bulldog. Katie looks 10x's better.

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- j/k means "just kidding".

- The word Batarang did not come up in the movie but i saw some and made me think of the word and how much i hate it. Relax buddie. Bale'll be ok.

Blood? Was there even blood in it? Scratches maybe, maybe not, who cares, the movie was good. Just wanted to phisically see the dude get slashed. I'm just answering the thread question.

And why would he give a flying fcuk about money cause he always has?, shockingly, until now?

But question, do you always go into threads and personally attack people whom simply answer thread questions with their own honest and opinionated reply?

I'm pathetic, i whine, i'm silly, i'm a poor child, i'm a teenager, lol. Either you got fired from work today just as you were leaving for your lunch break or someone else said something bad about Christian Bale to you in the Superman thread last weekend.

Lighten up.

While the heroine was not hot, she certainly wasn't ugly. Things I didn't included sections where- scratch that, I can't really think of anything I didn't like. Maybe there are things I would have liked to have seen more of, like... twoface actually establishing himself as a real villain before the end of the movie.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Whoa. You seem offended. Just answering the thread question. I apologize. As a token i'll answer all your questions, unfamiliar one.

- I never had an issue with 2-face himself. Just wished he wasn't offed so soon, is all.

- And the mask?, "I" didn't find it appealing. Shoot me. To me it's too round. My take.

- The voice was the voice. In the comics and 'toons Bruce sounds the same way Batman does.

- And irony's fine with Alfred, the constancy of it was what was annoying.

- And Rachel's face is busted. She's gonna be an ugly ass older woman. She looks like a bulldog. She sweet and a good actress but not something to look at, imo. She just needs sharp teeth to stick outta her lower jaw and she'd be a bulldog. Katie looks 10x's better.

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- j/k means "just kidding".

- The word Batarang did not come up in the movie but i saw some and made me think of the word and how much i hate it. Relax buddie. Bale'll be ok.

Blood? Was there even blood in it? Scratches maybe, maybe not, who cares, the movie was good. Just wanted to phisically see the dude get slashed. I'm just answering the thread question.

And why would he give a flying fcuk about money cause he always has?, shockingly, until now?

But question, do you always go into threads and personally attack people whom simply answer thread questions with their own honest and opinionated reply?

I'm pathetic, i whine, i'm silly, i'm a poor child, i'm a teenager, lol. Either you got fired from work today just as you were leaving for your lunch break or someone else said something bad about Christian Bale to you in the Superman thread last weekend.

Lighten up.

Don't worry, I wasn't offended. In response to a few of your points:

- In the comics, Bruce does put on a different voice when he's being/ is disguised as Batman. If you want proof, you can look at the 1st or 2nd issue of Morrison's Batman & Son arc. Alfred specifically mentions Bruce having an alternative voice for Batman.

- What do you think the majority of women look like if Maggie Gylenhaal is a "dog"???

- I know what condescending and flamboyant mean. I just didn't see that said flamboyance was condescending in any way.

- The Joker hasn't always cared about money. In fact, he practically never has in recent portrayals. Try reading The Man Who Laughs, which pretty much explains why Joker does what he does (and it certainly isn't for money), or even read the Killing Joke or The Dark Knight Returns. Can you imagine that Joker would give a shit about money? Really?

I "attack" everyone. I'm a very hostile "debater"...

Originally posted by Kovacs86
I "attack" everyone. I'm a very hostile "debater"...

Why?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Why?

Um... I find people annoying. And when I say "people", I just mean people in general. But I'm never half as angry as people seem to think. I'm not actually screaming at the computer screen as I write. I just post pretty viciously, generally quite unfairly. I'm not the most thoughtful of people, surprisingly...
But you did annoy me.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
Um... I find people annoying. And when I say "people", I just mean people in general. But I'm never half as angry as people seem to think. I'm not actually screaming at the computer screen as I write. I just post pretty viciously, generally quite unfairly. I'm not the most thoughtful of people, surprisingly...
But you did annoy me.

y so srs kovac? 😎

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The voice was the voice. In the comics and 'toons Bruce sounds the same way Batman does.

Wrong

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And irony's fine with Alfred, the constancy of it was what was annoying.

It wasn't constant and Alfred was hardly in the movie.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The word Batarang did not come up in the movie but i saw some and made me think of the word and how much i hate it. Relax buddie. Bale'll be ok.

So, you didn't like about the movie that it made you think about the word Batarang? Kay.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Blood? Was there even blood in it? Scratches maybe, maybe not, who cares, the movie was good. Just wanted to phisically see the dude get slashed. I'm just answering the thread question.

Not seeing extreme violence is a reason to dislike a movie that quite clearly wasn't intended as a slasher fest? Kay.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And why would he give a flying fcuk about money cause he always has?, shockingly, until now?

He didn't actually. Doesn't in the Comics either.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wrong

It wasn't constant and Alfred was hardly in the movie.

So, you didn't like about the movie that it made you think about the word Batarang? Kay.

Not seeing extreme violence is a reason to dislike a movie that quite clearly wasn't intended as a slasher fest? Kay.

He didn't actually. Doesn't in the Comics either.

Um, i'm right. In the B:TAS, a.k.a. the greatest superhero 'toon ever, to me at least, Bruce and Batman clearly sound exactly the same. Save for whenever Batman gets angry and naturally deepens his voice.

And Alfred was hardly in the movie?, didn't notice, didn't care, but when he was on he just kept on and on with his half-wit brit humor/sarcasm that i didn't find amusing but annoyng.

And your second comment needs to be rewritten and you need to reread my comment about the batarangs. I think i know what you meant though. I never said i disliked the movie cause of the word. I said i just disliked the word, simply. I saw the weapons on screen and the word came up in my head and i remembered never liking the word, shoot me.

Again, I did not dislike the movie because of certain things i disliked in the movie. The movie overall outweighed all its negatives for me and i consider it one of my top 5 best comicbook movies that i've ever seen. I just wanted the director to cast the Joker in the darkest shadow possible by showing how gruesome he can be. Like with the hospital. He blew it up with, i think, no one in it. The place should've had (alot of) people and patients in it. I'm serious. That would've really made the Joker a fcukin' badass psychopathic mofo; the way he was meant to be. Doing it that way would've made him much more villainous and infamous and much more hated and wanted by Batman and Gotham. Honestly, I wanted the Joker to be more intense and extreme in his actions in "TDK". His words and intelligence were good in the movie, I just wanted more. My opinion..

And the Joker doesn't care about money? lol. Ok.

Yea he's an idealist, but he'd always be ready to kill and steal loads of cold hard cash if he had to and/or wanted to..

I'm not saying he's materialistic but he has to fund his elaborate and theatrical schemes, plots, heists, and endeavors somehow.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Um, i'm right. In the B:TAS, a.k.a. the greatest superhero 'toon ever, to me at least, Bruce and Batman clearly sound exactly the same. Save for whenever Batman gets angry and naturally deepens his voice.

You said "In the comics" and there you are wrong. It is stated multiple times that he changes his voice when Batman.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And Alfred was hardly in the movie?, didn't notice, didn't care, but when he was on he just kept on and on with his half-wit brit humor/sarcasm that i didn't find amusing but annoyng.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And your second comment needs to be rewritten and you need to reread my comment about the batarangs. I think i know what you meant though. I never said i disliked the movie cause of the word. I said i just disliked the word, simply. I saw the weapons on screen and the word came up in my head and i remembered never liking the word, shoot me.

Nah, that was my point. You stated the word Batarang in a list of what you dislike about the movie. A bit ridiculous.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Again, I did not dislike the movie because of certain things i disliked in the movie. The movie overall outweighed all its negatives for me and i consider it one of my top 5 best comicbook movies that i've ever seen. I just wanted the director to cast the Joker in the darkest shadow possible by showing how gruesome he can be. Like with the hospital. He blew it up with, i think, no one in it. The place should've had (alot of) people and patients in it. I'm serious. That would've really made the Joker a fcukin' badass psychopathic mofo; the way he was meant to be. Doing it that way would've made him much more villainous and infamous and much more hated and wanted by Batman and Gotham. Honestly, I wanted the Joker to be more intense and extreme in his actions in "TDK". His words and intelligence were good in the movie, I just wanted more. My opinion..

I agree actually. Joker should have gotten some moment where he just seriously killed lots of innocents without remorse. I just don't think that seeing someone's cheek cut open is necessary. Like you said, you wanted the Joker to be more badass, showing that he cut the cheek open doesn't do that, as he did it, you just didn't see.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And the Joker doesn't care about money? lol. Ok.

Yea he's an idealist, but he'd always be ready to kill and steal loads of cold hard cash if he had to and/or wanted to..

He doesn't care about the money, yes. In that way he is an "idealist" as you say. He uses it to pay for his psychopathic games, true, but money as such, doesn't matter to him. So the burning of money made a lot of sense, really. It's obvious Joker humour (kinda like the burning firetruck...brilliant).

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I'm not saying he's materialistic but he has to fund his elaborate and theatrical schemes, plots, heists, and endeavors somehow.

Exactly, an he had enough money for his scheme already, so he instead decided to burn an accountant on a pile of money.

Cause it's funny.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You said "In the comics" and there you are wrong. It is stated multiple times that he changes his voice when Batman.

Nah, that was my point. You stated the word Batarang in a list of what you dislike about the movie. A bit ridiculous.

I agree actually. Joker should have gotten some moment where he just seriously killed lots of innocents without remorse. I just don't think that seeing someone's cheek cut open is necessary. Like you said, you wanted the Joker to be more badass, showing that he cut the cheek open doesn't do that, as he did it, you just didn't see.

He doesn't care about the money, yes. In that way he is an "idealist" as you say. He uses it to pay for his psychopathic games, true, but money as such, doesn't matter to him. So the burning of money made a lot of sense, really. It's obvious Joker humour (kinda like the burning firetruck...brilliant).

Exactly, an he had enough money for his scheme already, so he instead decided to burn an accountant on a pile of money.

Cause it's funny.

Actually if you carefully read i actually wrote - "The voice was the voice. In the comics and 'toons Bruce sounds the same way Batman does." Go check. I did mention cartoons. I mention the comics too but i never read about anything about Bruce's voice being different than Batman's voice in the comics, maybe it's true, but until then, or until somone shows me an official DC comic or an employee saying the voices are distinct in the comics, i'm gonna continue to assume that they both sound the same just like it did in "b:tas".

And you're right. The Baterangs comment shouldn't've been added to the list even though they're in the movie, just not mentioned. The issue was the name. no biggie.

And come to think about it, in a way, it's more than just about seeing the cutting of cheek and more about witnessing the Joker enjoyably do it. I pictured him doing it with his eyes passionately closed and just as the guys blood quickly, but in a small amount, sprinkles or sprays across the Jokers face he'd slightly smile/grin, eyes still closed, as if in utter satisfaction followed by remorselessly dropping the guy and getting back to the matter at hand as if nothing happened while, with his trademark napkin, dabbing his own cheek and forehead clean of the blood, while licking his lips like he constantly did while looking at the others.

Instead we got his back with a jerked movement, c'mon.

And where was the humor in the burning fire truck? To me it seemed more a Joker maneuver than a Joker joke.

And not saying it didn't happen but i don't remember seeing someone getting burned alive on top of the money. What, was it that asian accountant dude or something? I remember seeing someone tied up but not burned. Maybe i missed it.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

And not saying it didn't happen but i don't remember seeing someone getting burned alive on top of the money. What, was it that asian accountant dude or something? I remember seeing someone tied up but not burned. Maybe i missed it.

Um... tell me, FistOfTheNorth, what happens when Person A sets light to a pile of money while Person B is tied up, on top of said pile of money? Gosh, yes, I think he must have flown away.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Actually if you carefully read i actually wrote - "The voice was the voice. In the comics and 'toons Bruce sounds the same way Batman does." Go check. I did mention cartoons. I mention the comics too but i never read about anything about Bruce's voice being different than Batman's voice in the comics, maybe it's true, but until then, or until somone shows me an official DC comic or an employee saying the voices are distinct in the comics, i'm gonna continue to assume that they both sound the same just like it did in "b:tas".

Well, good thing I jsut said you are "wrong" then. Cause you are wrong about the comics. Now, if I had said, you are "wrong about every single thing you said" then you'd have a point. Since I didn't, you are still wrong.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And you're right. The Baterangs comment shouldn't've been added to the list even though they're in the movie, just not mentioned. The issue was the name. no biggie.

True

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And come to think about it, in a way, it's more than just about seeing the cutting of cheek and more about witnessing the Joker enjoyably do it. I pictured him doing it with his eyes passionately closed and just as the guys blood quickly, but in a small amount, sprinkles or sprays across the Jokers face he'd slightly smile/grin, eyes still closed, as if in utter satisfaction followed by remorselessly dropping the guy and getting back to the matter at hand as if nothing happened while, with his trademark napkin, dabbing his own cheek and forehead clean of the blood, while licking his lips like he constantly did while looking at the others.

So, what you are saying is, that the movie actually made you picture it that way? Isn't that a good thing?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Instead we got his back with a jerked movement, c'mon.

Leaves it to the imagination. Though I agree, wouldn't have minded to see his face, though I liked it that way as well.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And where was the humor in the burning fire truck? To me it seemed more a Joker maneuver than a Joker joke.

...it's irony. It's like a classic Joker idea. It was hilarious, man.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And not saying it didn't happen but i don't remember seeing someone getting burned alive on top of the money. What, was it that asian accountant dude or something? I remember seeing someone tied up but not burned. Maybe i missed it.

You didn't see him burned specifically. I feel it was implied though as the guy was on a pile of money that got burned. Again, showing a burning man, would probably compromise the Rating.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
Um... tell me, FistOfTheNorth, what happens when Person A sets light to a pile of money while Person B is tied up, on top of said pile of money? Gosh, yes, I think he must have flown away.

Person A would burn. Thing is, I never said i saw Person A tied up on top of the pile otherwise id'a mentioned it. I remember someone tied up in that scene. I just forget where. I do remember only seeing the Joker on top of the pile then he sliding down the side of it..But if so, I dunno, i guess i didn't pay the poor guy any attention. My focus was always soly on the Joker most of the time. What can i say, he's my most favortite comic super villain since i was a kid.

But I'll have to watch "TDK" again to see.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Person A would burn. Thing is, I never said i saw Person A tied up on top of the pile otherwise id'a mentioned it. I remember someone tied up in that scene. I just forget where. I do remember only seeing the Joker on top of the pile then he sliding down the side of it..But if so, I dunno, i guess i didn't pay the poor guy any attention. My focus was always soly on the Joker most of the time. What can i say, he's my most favortite comic super villain since i was a kid.

But I'll have to watch "TDK" again to see.

I can't wait for my second viewing of it.

I really didn't have a problem with the Joker's violence only being 'implied', although it would've been cool to see that mobster's face with a nice, big, smile. I think that the sickest thing about the Joker- comics or movie- is not how gruesome his violence is, but the psychological damage it does to people- and the psychological damage he inflicts on people anyways. The whole choice on the ferry thing was every bit as sadistic as his violent antics- ripping people apart psychologically is just as cruel as doing it to them physically.

Arguably comic book Joker's sickest antic- paralyzing Barbara, undressing her (yum), and taking photos of her bleeding presumably to death- is not just to shoot Barbara and torture her. It's to rip both her and her father's mind apart; the Joker, despite what he may seem like, enjoys breaking people's minds as much as he enjoys breaking their skulls.

Still, TDK was one of the most violent PG-13's I have ever seen. Just a hint more blood and it would've been an R.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
I can't wait for my second viewing of it.

I really didn't have a problem with the Joker's violence only being 'implied', although it would've been cool to see that mobster's face with a nice, big, smile. I think that the sickest thing about the Joker- comics or movie- is not how gruesome his violence is, but the psychological damage it does to people- and the psychological damage he inflicts on people anyways. The whole choice on the ferry thing was every bit as sadistic as his violent antics- ripping people apart psychologically is just as cruel as doing it to them physically.

Arguably comic book Joker's sickest antic- paralyzing Barbara, undressing her (yum), and taking photos of her bleeding presumably to death- is not just to shoot Barbara and torture her. It's to rip both her and her father's mind apart; the Joker, despite what he may seem like, enjoys breaking people's minds as much as he enjoys breaking their skulls.

Still, TDK was one of the most violent PG-13's I have ever seen. Just a hint more blood and it would've been an R.

I can't actually recall a lot of blood- a lot of the violence was merely suggested. However, I'm pretty sure it was on the borderline between 12A and 15 in the UK (loads of parents have been complaining, because their poor, little children were traumatised by it).

Originally posted by Kovacs86
I can't actually recall a lot of blood- a lot of the violence was merely suggested. However, I'm pretty sure it was on the borderline between 12A and 15 in the UK (loads of parents have been complaining, because their poor, little children were traumatised by it).

There isn't any blood. It was only a very moderate issue for me- the Joker doesn't need to be covered in blood to be scary.

And this further cements my claim that parent's organizations f*cking suck. I mean, the movie should not be watched by anyone under the age of 13- WTF is up with parents taking their 7 year olds to watch it? I don't know anyone under the age of 12 who was traumatized by the movie- disturbed, yeah. Scared, yeah. But that's part of the friggin' point.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
There isn't any blood. It was only a very moderate issue for me- the Joker doesn't need to be covered in blood to be scary.

And this further cements my claim that parent's organizations f*cking suck. I mean, the movie should not be watched by anyone under the age of 13- WTF is up with parents taking their 7 year olds to watch it? I don't know anyone under the age of 12 who was traumatized by the movie- disturbed, yeah. Scared, yeah. But that's part of the friggin' point.

You're right, of course. I entirely agree.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
You're right, of course. I entirely agree.

🙂

Well, I gotta say. The scene with the hanged Batman left me squirming for a few seconds- and I'm the guy who sat through Alien and lol'd every time I saw the alien. It was pretty damn graphic.

I've always said that psychological violence will always be far scarier than blood-filled violence. This is the reason why The Ring will always be better and scarier than any generic slasher. This is also the reason why TDK is so disturbing- watching a man psychologically ripped apart and brought to the brink of self-destruction is a lot more unsettling than watching a screaming teen girl hacked to pieces.