Two Face!

Originally posted by dubefan
then thats the worst portrayal of a villian since venom in spiderman i mean to tease the audience with a good interpretation of two fae just to have him killed off before he acctually gets to anything worth while, your thoughts.

Two Face had purpose in the movie, he wasn't squeezed in by a director who doesn't give a damn, just doing it so people will get off his case.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
I still think he's dead...

And SelinaAndBruce, Batman killed Ras, too, remember? 😛

But even if Two-Face is still alive and they're gonna use him for the 3rd (and final) movie, what exactly could he do? I mean

Spoiler:
he killed Maroni, he killed pretty much everyone else responsible for what happened to him and Rachel, excluding Joker

What else could he possibly do? He BETTER not become a crime boss (that would contradict his whole story in TDK)...

I hope he is back. As i said Two face is my second favorite villain I'd hate to think I lost my top two fave Bat villains in one movie (obviously the Joker is gone for reasons outside of the storyline but still). And I really think 2face lives

I sort of have a theory.

I think before Heath Ledger passed away, the movie was shot with scenes proving that Harvey had died from the fall. Heath would come back in possibly the end of the next one, into the 4th movie. There would have been a more tragic funeral scene for Harvey if he had in fact died.

But now that Heath Ledger is unfortunately unable to reprise his role, they will bring back the second greatest part of The Dark Knight - Eckhart. The "death" of Harvey is left ambiguous, splicing his "funeral service" into shots of his motionless body.

I'm not sure If I got my theory across right, but I think that's how it goes.

I totally agree. Again, bringing Two-Face back would be best. I wouldn't like to see the Riddler or a Joker recast as most are saying, so a Two-Face return would simply be awesome.

Anyone got any pics?

Shit guys.
I went to Barnes and Noble earlier today and as I walked in, saw the novelization of TDK. I figured it'd help straighten things out with Dent's death.

Unfortunately, the passage went something like this.

"Gordon aimed his flashlight down to the ground below. It shined on Harvey, his disfigured face showing, his body motionless. He was obviously dead."

Shucks.

If he is dead then that does change my perception of the movie some, because Two Face was never allowed to be a villain then. He was merely a plot point in the Joker's scheme and that really REALLY sucks.

He was the backbone of the movie & without him the movie wouldn't have worked. The whole point of the movie was the Joker showing that Gotham's White Knight was the same as everyone else which was corruptable. Dent was the hero Gotham didn't deserve, and Batman was the hero Gotham did deserve.

Originally posted by Da Joker
He was the backbone of the movie & without him the movie wouldn't have worked. The whole point of the movie was the Joker showing that Gotham's White Knight was the same as everyone else which was corruptable. Dent was the hero Gotham didn't deserve, and Batman was the hero Gotham did deserve.

It would be stupid to waste Two Face like this. Him living but them pretending he's dead to protect people and no one having any idea that he became this monster is a way better ending than him

Spoiler:
getting knocked off a building by Batman and dying.

I KNEW Two-Face was dead...

I'd say I told you so, but now, even I don't want to...

Eckhart was awesome, though... I loved when he'd start screaming like Michael Corleone... "DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE, JIM!?!" or something to that extent... Pure pwnage...

I'm really hoping he is not dead because as I said that will somewhat alter my perception of the movie. It's still good, but then they did waste a one of Batman's greatest villains before he truly got to become who he was meant to be...then again that's what they did to the Scarecrow too so I guess I can't be too shocked.

Originally posted by Quincy
Shit guys.
I went to Barnes and Noble earlier today and as I walked in, saw the novelization of TDK. I figured it'd help straighten things out with Dent's death.

Unfortunately, the passage went something like this.

"Gordon aimed his flashlight down to the ground below. It shined on Harvey, his disfigured face showing, his body motionless. He was obviously dead."

Shucks.

I don't trust movie novelizations

Originally posted by Quincy
Shit guys.
I went to Barnes and Noble earlier today and as I walked in, saw the novelization of TDK. I figured it'd help straighten things out with Dent's death.

Unfortunately, the passage went something like this.

"Gordon aimed his flashlight down to the ground below. It shined on Harvey, his disfigured face showing, his body motionless. He was obviously dead."

Shucks.

we can play on the idea of duality and themes found in TDK.

look deeper, beyond the words. Look beyond what you see with your own two eyes and think

Two Face plays on the idea of dual personalities, we have Harvey Dent, gothams white knight, a symbol of hope for gotham that the dawn with come and the dark knight will finally be over. And you have other side of the coin, Two Face: maniupulated, misguided, ruthless, and vengeful. Harvey Dent might have died that night, but Two Face is merely half dead.

There are themes that need to be examined and carefully looked at

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I don't trust movie novelizations

Neither do I, they change a lot form what was in the actual movie. I still believe Two-Face is alive.

Even when there is written proof, fans continue to deny it...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Even when there is written proof, fans continue to deny it...

this is the internet, how do we know if the quote was actually in a book and quoted properly, no source material was even cited properly either 😉

or i can just give up, harvey dent two face is dead. He got the venom treatment. darn. totally kills the movie, give up all hope! all is lost!!

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
this is the internet, how do we know if the quote was actually in a book and quoted properly, no source material was even cited properly either 😉

Calling me a liar? 😒

NO, not a liar.

Just that the novelization can't be trusted. IGN.com had some article on the future of Batman, debating villians and what-not and the producer of TDK said that they kinda left it ambigous with 2 face, that it could go either way.

I agree with what Quincy said: originally it was planned for Two Face to die and Joker to come back, but with the death of Ledger, we see where they made a change and left it open to maybe have Two Face back.

Plus, novelizations are written 6 months earlier, from a copy of the script before the movie is finished. Probably before Ledger died even and certainly with more than enough time for Nolan and Co. to change their minds and leave Two Face's fate open.

Originally posted by Quincy
Calling me a liar? 😒

do you want me to call you one?

there are atheists and there are believers.

pessimists and optimists.

i would like to take this opportunity to bring back the familiar campaign and that I Believe In Harvey Dent I believe Two Face is alive

Hell Doc Ock drowned in the river, we saw a clear depiction of his demise and Sam Raimi clearly stated in an interview that, he does not rule Doc Ock out of the equation.

But didn't they say that nothing was left out of the film... There was nothing added, and nothing taken out just because of Ledger's unfortunate death...