Originally posted by janus77
can't even imagine Sentry having half a chance of winning a fight against Surfer.SS 10/10
I can since sentry did own terrax like noone in comics has ever done and silver surfer struggles against terrax on a normal basis. Hell one of the most powerful heralds (morg) struggled to take terrax out and even lost to him but again sentry ripped through him like he was nothing. Thats not even bringing up the other feats that he has against other high herald level characters while holding back.
Sentry has no weakness and his output of energy is ridiculous. Hell sentry has taken a punch from thing and didnt even budge and then tossed thing to the side but the same cant be said for surfer.
Sentry is more ruthless against Heralds than Surfer. he's always had a desire to redeem them or 'teach' them right... that condescending school master thing, it's just the way Surfer fights.
I doubt Sentry has power sufficient to trouble Surfer. Sentry went all out against Hulk and lost. totally emptied his account on him, to no effect. Surfer endured a torrent from various Hulks with no effect (not including the confrontation on Sakaar, in which he was cut off from the Power Cosmic and still weary from the wormhole he came through).
Surfer could easily dick with Sentry's energies... they're solar in nature, no?
Surfer has him beat (by an outrageous amount) on durability.
Surfer has him beat (by a considerable amount) on speed.
Surfer has him beat (by a vast amount) on versatility.
Surfer has him beat on sheer power too (evolving planets, healing Thor, a Watcher, going toe-to-toe with a Watcher/Dimensional God ...)
I can't see Sentry surviving long against Surfer.
as for exploitable weaknesses - Bob's mind/Astral Plane mind-f-ck?
Surfer has him beat (by an outrageous amount) on durability.
This is a statement that I just dont agree with since he has basically shrugged off everything except blows from the hulk.
Surfer has him beat (by a considerable amount) on speed.
This is something that we'll never know since sentry dont fly across the cosmos like surfer does. So where are you basing you judgement off of?
Surfer has him beat (by a vast amount) on versatility.
We have yet to see the full extent of sentry's power but the little that he has displayed makes him a formidable opponent. Like teleportation, and that incredible output of focused energy that he put out during his encounter with wwh.
Surfer has him beat on sheer power too (evolving planets, healing Thor, a Watcher, going toe-to-toe with a Watcher/Dimensional God ...)
You do know that sentry has brought back life and basically wiped everyone clean of there memories about him, including thor. Healing someone shouldnt be a feat that he couldnt so since he has brought back life before.
I can't see Sentry surviving long against Surfer.
I can see him doing damn good against surfer, I just cant see them beating each other.
Sentry is more ruthless against Heralds than Surfer. he's always had a desire to redeem them or 'teach' them right... that condescending school master thing, it's just the way Surfer fights.
This is the most lamest excuse I have seen in a long time. Surfer is always serious against terrax, hell terrax nearly killed him once. Show me something saying that surfer was holding back against terrax then maybe I'll believe you.
I doubt Sentry has power sufficient to trouble Surfer. Sentry went all out against Hulk and lost. totally emptied his account on him, to no effect. Surfer endured a torrent from various Hulks with no effect (not including the confrontation on Sakaar, in which he was cut off from the Power Cosmic and still weary from the wormhole he came through).
Sentry has plenty enough power to cause surfer trouble, that something that you just fail to realize due to your surfer love.
Surfer could easily dick with Sentry's energies... they're solar in nature, no?
That wouldnt be a good thing to do, a master absorber already tried that on sentry and got over loaded. The sad thing is that that same person that did that to sentry absorbed thor energy without a problem who is basically=surfer.
as for exploitable weaknesses - Bob's mind/Astral Plane mind-f-ck?
You heard what ironman said when doctor doom was messing with sentry's mind. Hell, sentry himself is a top notch telepath, do you have scans showing someone messing with his head.
Originally posted by carver9A>B>C
I can since sentry did own terrax like noone in comics has ever done and silver surfer struggles against terrax on a normal basis. Hell one of the most powerful heralds (morg) struggled to take terrax out and even lost to him but again sentry ripped through him like he was nothing. Thats not even bringing up the other feats that he has against other high herald level characters while holding back.Sentry has no weakness and his output of energy is ridiculous. Hell sentry has taken a punch from thing and didnt even budge and then tossed thing to the side but the same cant be said for surfer.
And besides, Surfer has beaten Terrax just as easily before.
You could bring in bad writing for Terrax, but it doesn't matter anyway.
Originally posted by carver9Was gushing blood afterwards.
This is a statement that I just dont agree with since he has basically shrugged off everything except blows from the hulk.This is something that we'll never know since sentry dont fly across the cosmos like surfer does. So where are you basing you judgement off of?
We have yet to see the full extent of sentry's power but the little that he has displayed makes him a formidable opponent. Like teleportation, and that incredible output of focused energy that he put out during his encounter with wwh.
You do know that sentry has brought back life and basically wiped everyone clean of there memories about him, including thor. Healing someone shouldnt be a feat that he couldnt so since he has brought back life before.
That wouldnt be a good thing to do, a master absorber already tried that on sentry and got over loaded. The sad thing is that that same person that did that to sentry absorbed thor energy without a problem who is basically=surfer.
You heard what ironman said when doctor doom was messing with sentry's mind. Hell, sentry himself is a top notch telepath, do you have scans showing someone messing with his head.
He bases it off of Surfer actually having speed feats.
What about the incredible casual energy that destroyed a planet, and created a black hole?
He just said Surfer evolved a planet... bringing one person back to life doesn't compare, to bringing a whole planet to life.
Sentry also erased his own memory as well...
AM was absorbing Sentry's energy until he went full power. AM has never absorbed Thor's full power.
Ironman said that Sentry would kill him and not even know it. Which is true, because Sentry is an acid victim. It's too bad that Sentry was already f*cked when this happened, and Doom stopped his assault.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
A>B>CAnd besides, Surfer has beaten Terrax just as easily before.
You could bring in bad writing for Terrax, but it doesn't matter anyway.
Its not abc logic, its the fact that sentry has basically owned almost everyone that confronted him and held back while doing so. Can you show me surfer beating terrax easily because to my knowledge terrax always gave him a fight.
Do the power cosmic even work on sentry and collective is high herald and got his a** handed to him by sentry.
Originally posted by carver9It is. I don't see how it isn't abc logic.
Its not abc logic, its the fact that sentry has basically owned almost everyone that confronted him and held back while doing so. Can you show me surfer beating terrax easily because to my knowledge terrax always gave him a fight.Do the power cosmic even work on sentry and collective is high herald and got his a** handed to him by sentry.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Surfer basically toys with Terrax.
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Should we assume it doesn't work? And?
Refresh my memory as I haven't read that arc in a while, but what exactly happened when Sentry fought Collective the second time? I thought Iron Man helped out, and I don't remember Sentry beating him. Scans?
Was gushing blood afterwards.
I agree, he was gushing blood since he was LETTING hulk hit him like that. What being below celestial wouldnt be affected by wwh punches. Im surprised that he wasnt one shotted just like any other being would have been (under skyfather).
He bases it off of Surfer actually having speed feats.
Having cosmos speed feats, well I guess surfer will always be>sentry since sentry dont fly the cosmos and is a earth protector. I know that he made it to the sun in 2 panels but I dont consider space flight all that impressive since there isnt any weight to weigh you down.
What about the incredible casual energy that destroyed a planet, and created a black hole?
I never said that surfer couldnt do this but that still dont change the fact that sentry would give him a fight.
He just said Surfer evolved a planet... bringing one person back to life doesn't compare, to bringing a whole planet to life.
Do you have proof that sentry cant bring back more then one life. I think that the guy can basically do anything he thinks of.
AM was absorbing Sentry's energy until he went full power. AM has never absorbed Thor's full power.
Where are you getting your assumption of sentry powering up, let me guess because his eyes was glowing. AM did absord thor energy before and had him helpless and basically used it against him.
Ironman said that Sentry would kill him and not even know it. Which is true, because Sentry is an acid victim. It's too bad that Sentry was already f*cked when this happened, and Doom stopped his assault.
I agree he was ****ed, the question is how long could doom have kept that attack going because sentry would have lasted to the end and once doom attack was done he would have been as good as dead.
Originally posted by carver9Surfer has never been affected by Hulk's punches before, unless he was depowered. It's not a stretch to imagine it being the same. Then you have the fact that Surfer's durability seems to be off the charts entirely now...
I agree, he was gushing blood since he was LETTING hulk hit him like that. What being below celestial wouldnt be affected by wwh punches. Im surprised that he wasnt one shotted just like any other being would have been (under skyfather).Having cosmos speed feats, well I guess surfer will always be>sentry since sentry dont fly the cosmos and is a earth protector. I know that he made it to the sun in 2 panels but I dont consider space flight all that impressive since there isnt any weight to weigh you down.
I never said that surfer couldnt do this but that still dont change the fact that sentry would give him a fight.
Do you have proof that sentry cant bring back more then one life. I think that the guy can basically do anything he thinks of.
Where are you getting your assumption of sentry powering up, let me guess because his eyes was glowing. AM did absord thor energy before and had him helpless and basically used it against him.
I agree he was ****ed, the question is how long could doom have kept that attack going because sentry would have lasted to the end and once doom attack was done he would have been as good as dead.
Surfer flew 500 000 light years in like two panels. 🙄
Actually, it took a couple seconds to a minute max if you read the issue... so ya, Surfer will always be above Sentry in that area until proven otherwise.
You brought up power being outputted... it doesn't help that Surfer's was thousands of times more impressive.
Do you have proof that he can?
Oh great... Sentry should have thought that he could beat Hulk then.
Because AM was absorbing Sentry's energy the whole time in the fight, and then finally Sentry talked about his power, and poof.
Also, I don't recall AM ever absorbing both Thor's energy and Mjolnir at the same time as well, and it's not like AM hasn't been overloaded by sudden power outbursts. Reaching feat at best.
Doom didn't have to do anything else. Sentry was already done after the first attack. Had Doom done another spell or something...
Thiis not evn a match. Surfer can evn lose once out of a thousand fights. Really people seem to be forgetting that surfer is a top enrgy manipulator. And sentrys powers are highly enrgy based. Match over. Aside that surfer is FAR more durable, FAR faster, more versatile as well. Whats sentry going to do when SS absorbs him into his board like he did against legacy? Or simply drains out all his enrgy? Answer is he cant do anything. He has got no chance. Surfer could also encase him in a stasis bubble and BFR him. There are so many ways. Saying he beat terrax easily so he should be able to match surfer is extremely bad logic. Yes that feat was impressive all terrax did was blast sentry. No uuse of any more exotic powers whatsoever. Saying that just because he easily took the blasts he was unaffecetd by the PC is far fetched and baseless. So beacuse Odin was unaffecetd by SS blasts he is also immune to the PC? Poor reasoning. SS can destroy the sentry in many ways and Blasting him to bits is one of them considering that SS is much more powerful than terrax( especially current SS)
Lol, come on, neither TJ, Juggernaut nor Hulk will ever be one-shotting high heralds... Hulk may have infinite strength but so far, nothing beyond Skyfather levels has been demonstrated on-panel (Onslaught would be around skyfather level, imo).
I admit Surfer's one of my favourite comic cosmics, but you know, having read some of Nova's appearances... I think I'm more of a fan of Nova and the WorldMind.
anyway, as far as speed goes. there is no possible argument, if you take anything from Sentry's appearances and compare them to the average Surfer dash-across-the-universe-in-the-blink-of-an-eye.
if you're saying that you can't judge because Sentry's never gone space-fairing, then what about CLOC estimating in tenths of seconds* how long it would take Sentry to go from one location to another. it used to do that quite frequently, so there should be many scans available, I've got the comics somewhere too - but too busy to go hunt them out now.
Surfer has attacked cities across the globe, has searched the whole world and more, within such time-frames.
Hulk wasn't going all out against Sentry, as was demonstrated amply afterwards... that was nothing like the kind of power Hulk can unleash.
yet Sentry stated, and Tony Stark, Ben Grimm and others confirmed, that Sentry was going all out - unleashing all his powers - against Hulk.
so we have indeed seen the fullest extent of Sentry's powers. they are less than enough to challenge Hulk. which isn't to dismiss the character, I rate Hulk highly, but it's nowhere near what beings like Tenebrous or Aegis can output.
Doom was attempting to screw with Sentry's mind, Doom is a fragile human in comparison to Surfer, of course if Sentry went doolally, Doom would end up dead. that's not a worthwhile comparison.
Surfer would easily screw with Sentry's mind. he's already given the whole world an orgasm with but a thought, he's demonstrated power over people's minds and TP across vast distances of space.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Surfer destroys him.Faster. Stronger. More versatility. Better range.
Nevertheless I'd like to see the two of them go toe to toe in a comic.
Faster....he might have a speed advantage but it isnt enough that it will account for all that much.
Stronger, SS would not have a prayer going h2h with WWH...sentry was holding his own quite nicly.
Versatility I agree on but what a shame Sentry has not glarring exploits.
Range is yet another advantage but to bad the power cosmic is completly useless on bob.
Overall SS doesnt have any overwhealming advantage that will be decisive, while SS's bolts and blast will have no effect on Sentry we all know a punch from Bob will greatly affect SS.
Sentry can basically gather energy from anywhere and everywhere and basically held back while fighting genis who is high herald/almost skyfather.
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Can teleport.
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