Originally posted by Mairuzu
Reaper would be good too have, but not as a main villain...
Hmm... You've got something there...
I have no doubt that if Nolan can tie together Joker and Two-Face, he could tie together Reaper in a Two-Face type role and perhaps Riddler as the main villain...
Perhaps something like Mask of the Phantasm (which is based loosely on the characters of Rachel Caspian and Judson Caspian), where Reaper comes to kill a criminal he thinks is there (he picks it up from listening in on Riddler and Batman's conversation), and Riddler has a two-way camera type thing, where he was expecting to see the Batman, but got the Reaper instead, so he blows the place up (it was gonna be connected to the puzzle Batman had to solve)
This gives Reaper a reason to kill Riddler, so he appears to be dead for a while (he escapes, but no one knows about it) and in the climax, when Batman finally finds Riddler, Reaper returns, adding to the mystique that he is a super natural being from hell (which scares the shit out of Riddler)... Batman has to keep Reaper from killing Riddler, while also trying to capture Riddler...
This big fight finds it's way to the roof, and then the top of the unfinished "under construction" part of Wayne Tower (mentioned earlier in the movie), and Riddler seems to be in Reaper's grasp, but then suddenly, he slips from the construction beam, and loses balance. Both Reaper and Riddler begin to fall. Batman puts his hand out to both. Riddler, being the coward he is, immediately grabs his hand. The Reaper, knowing what charges he'd be up against if he was to ever be captured, swings his scythe at Batman, preferring to fall to his doom then be given the death penalty...
That's just a VERY brief summary of the climax and Reaper's role in the film... Batman would be using extensive detective skills to not only piece together Riddler's little games, but also to figure out the identity of the Reaper, Judson Caspian (or Dawes, if they want to tie him in as Rachel's dad)
So everyone goes home happy... We get a new villain in a secondary (not minor, but secondary) role, we get the Riddler done right, we get detective Batman, we get a new Batmobile (Fox leaves Bruce one last present) and we get the resolution of the story Nolan started in Batman Begins, with Bruce accepting the mantle of the Batman as his destiny, becoming Gotham's trusted protector once again...
Again, just a thought... If it sucks, then sorry...
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Black Mask would be PERFECT with the current timing of this Batman. A crime boss with a sadistic nature. Would be interesting.
If they were going to do that, they should have sown the Black Mask into TDK; it would have been very easy to do. First, have Roman Sionis be in the bank during the robbery; and then briefly show him picking up one of the dead guy's clown masks. Next, after being inspired by the bank robbery, instead of having the Scarecrow being captured with the want-to-be vigilantes, have Roman be that character and be dressed as the Black Mask. When he gets arrested with the rest of that group, his reputation and business is ruined, which builds his vendetta against Batman. To pile on top of his misery, his company would be bought out by Wayne Enterprises, humiliating him even further. He uses all of his assets to get out of jail, and begins to plot; his first step is to turn Gotham Cable News anchor Mike Engel to his side, using the media to discredit Batman (which would be like what's in TDK with Gotham turning against Batman). That would be all you see of him in the TDK, with him becoming the main villain in the third movie.
In the third movie, I envision the Black Mask buying weapons from the Penguin, and filling the power vacuum in the Mafia that the Joker left open. During the film, he'd be kidnapping people that are connected with Wayne Enterprises (with the big catch being Lucius Fox), forcing Batman/Bruce to confront the Black Mask and take him down; Batman would also be fighting off a gun-toting mercenary that is out to catch him for the ransom: Deadshot. The movie would end with Deadshot being captured by the cops (setting up a Suicide Squad movie), and the Black Mask either being dead or going crazy in Arkham.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Who Should Be The Next Dark Knight Villain?
some of their castings, i would question, and i would also question why they even mentioned some of them.
They dont need to make Penguin actually have a deformity like in Batman Returns. NO poison ivy please, Mr Freeze is a stretch, and it would take an entire movie to explain to people again, why Catwoman parades around like a cat. Their Harley Quinn casting is horrible too. Matthew McConnaughey as Deadshot yeeeppp. epic win for empire 😉
and just cuz Killer Croc has been portrayed as an actual croc monster with a tail doesnt mean he always was, merely some person with an extreme medical skin condition that makes his skin APPEAR to be rough and coarse reminiscent of a crocodile, in which case was left in the sewers by his mother because of that and who gone crazy and philed his teeth sharp
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
If they were going to do that, they should have sown the Black Mask into TDK; it would have been very easy to do. First, have Roman Sionis be in the bank during the robbery; and then briefly show him picking up one of the dead guy's clown masks. Next, after being inspired by the bank robbery, instead of having the Scarecrow being captured with the want-to-be vigilantes, have Roman be that character and be dressed as the Black Mask. When he gets arrested with the rest of that group, his reputation and business is ruined, which builds his vendetta against Batman. To pile on top of his misery, his company would be bought out by Wayne Enterprises, humiliating him even further. He uses all of his assets to get out of jail, and begins to plot; his first step is to turn Gotham Cable News anchor Mike Engel to his side, using the media to discredit Batman (which would be like what's in TDK with Gotham turning against Batman). That would be all you see of him in the TDK, with him becoming the main villain in the third movie.
If they did that, it would have completely upset the balance of the movie, and some plot points wouldn't happen (Mr. Reese, for instance)
Originally posted by Bat DudeUm...what Reese did would still be there, that would have nothing to do with it. Why wouldn't Engel, and by proxy Black Mask, want Batman's identity revealed? A decent thought, but a very bad example.
If they did that, it would have completely upset the balance of the movie, and some plot points wouldn't happen (Mr. Reese, for instance)
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Um...what Reese did would still be there, that would have nothing to do with it. Why wouldn't Engel, and by proxy Black Mask, want Batman's identity revealed? A decent thought, but a very bad example.
It's not that they wouldn't want it, but they wouldn't have time to do it (it'd make the movie longer), what with Harvey's side story, Joker's main story, and now Black Mask's side story...
And what about Joker? Would he still do what he did in the film?
Originally posted by Bat DudeThe Black Mask wouldn't be seen other than A) In the bank, picking up that mask and B) Getting caught just as the Scarecrow did. Forgive me, but I'm not seeing where it takes too much time. Black Mask would not be seen making Engel his puppet, you would be told that he did in the next movie.
It's not that they wouldn't want it, but they wouldn't have time to do it (it'd make the movie longer), what with Harvey's side story, Joker's main story, and now Black Mask's side story...And what about Joker? Would he still do what he did in the film?
As for the rest of your comments, yeah, he would still do what he did in the film; the rest of the movie would have no bearing on Black Mask's story.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
The Black Mask wouldn't be seen other than A) In the bank, picking up that mask and B) Getting caught just as the Scarecrow did. Forgive me, but I'm not seeing where it takes too much time. Black Mask would not be seen making Engel his puppet, you would be told that he did in the next movie.As for the rest of your comments, yeah, he would still do what he did in the film; the rest of the movie would have no bearing on Black Mask's story.
OH! I thought Black Mask was getting screen time for the whole Engel thing!
Forgive me, I misunderstood...
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
If they were going to do that, they should have sown the Black Mask into TDK; it would have been very easy to do. First, have Roman Sionis be in the bank during the robbery; and then briefly show him picking up one of the dead guy's clown masks. Next, after being inspired by the bank robbery, instead of having the Scarecrow being captured with the want-to-be vigilantes, have Roman be that character and be dressed as the Black Mask. When he gets arrested with the rest of that group, his reputation and business is ruined, which builds his vendetta against Batman. To pile on top of his misery, his company would be bought out by Wayne Enterprises, humiliating him even further. He uses all of his assets to get out of jail, and begins to plot; his first step is to turn Gotham Cable News anchor Mike Engel to his side, using the media to discredit Batman (which would be like what's in TDK with Gotham turning against Batman). That would be all you see of him in the TDK, with him becoming the main villain in the third movie.In the third movie, I envision the Black Mask buying weapons from the Penguin, and filling the power vacuum in the Mafia that the Joker left open. During the film, he'd be kidnapping people that are connected with Wayne Enterprises (with the big catch being Lucius Fox), forcing Batman/Bruce to confront the Black Mask and take him down; Batman would also be fighting off a gun-toting mercenary that is out to catch him for the ransom: Deadshot. The movie would end with Deadshot being captured by the cops (setting up a Suicide Squad movie), and the Black Mask either being dead or going crazy in Arkham.
I like that...SS movie is a long shot....
Originally posted by Bat DudeI was actually thinking of the same thing... kinda...
Hmm... You've got something there...I have no doubt that if Nolan can tie together Joker and Two-Face, he could tie together Reaper in a Two-Face type role and perhaps Riddler as the main villain...
Perhaps something like Mask of the Phantasm (which is based loosely on the characters of Rachel Caspian and Judson Caspian), where Reaper comes to kill a criminal he thinks is there (he picks it up from listening in on Riddler and Batman's conversation), and Riddler has a two-way camera type thing, where he was expecting to see the Batman, but got the Reaper instead, so he blows the place up (it was gonna be connected to the puzzle Batman had to solve)
This gives Reaper a reason to kill Riddler, so he appears to be dead for a while (he escapes, but no one knows about it) and in the climax, when Batman finally finds Riddler, Reaper returns, adding to the mystique that he is a super natural being from hell (which scares the shit out of Riddler)... Batman has to keep Reaper from killing Riddler, while also trying to capture Riddler...
This big fight finds it's way to the roof, and then the top of the unfinished "under construction" part of Wayne Tower (mentioned earlier in the movie), and Riddler seems to be in Reaper's grasp, but then suddenly, he slips from the construction beam, and loses balance. Both Reaper and Riddler begin to fall. Batman puts his hand out to both. Riddler, being the coward he is, immediately grabs his hand. The Reaper, knowing what charges he'd be up against if he was to ever be captured, swings his scythe at Batman, preferring to fall to his doom then be given the death penalty...
That's just a VERY brief summary of the climax and Reaper's role in the film... Batman would be using extensive detective skills to not only piece together Riddler's little games, but also to figure out the identity of the Reaper, Judson Caspian (or Dawes, if they want to tie him in as Rachel's dad)
So everyone goes home happy... We get a new villain in a secondary (not minor, but secondary) role, we get the Riddler done right, we get detective Batman, we get a new Batmobile (Fox leaves Bruce one last present) and we get the resolution of the story Nolan started in Batman Begins, with Bruce accepting the mantle of the Batman as his destiny, becoming Gotham's trusted protector once again...
Again, just a thought... If it sucks, then sorry...
a random guy gets his wife killed by thugs
gets pissed
riddler leads him into a sort of... saw type trap, where he has to do puzzle and things in order to get out
has him meet up with his wifes killer, makes reaper kill him to be free'd some how?
i dont wanna go too much into detail since im not that good at making movies.. heh..
but anywho.. reaper is born
Originally posted by Darth MacabreThe thing is
Um...what Reese did would still be there, that would have nothing to do with it. Why wouldn't Engel, and by proxy Black Mask, want Batman's identity revealed? A decent thought, but a very bad example.
(im guessing)
a large % of the crowd that saw TDK wouldnt even know who black mask is
Originally posted by MairuzuNever said they would. Its unfortunate, too, because he'd be a great character in Nolan's universe. But, either way, all of this came about in reference to WD bringing up the thought of the Black Mask being the villain.
The thing is(im guessing)
a large % of the crowd that saw TDK wouldnt even know who black mask is
Originally posted by xNIXSONx
some of their castings, i would question, and i would also question why they even mentioned some of them.They dont need to make Penguin actually have a deformity like in Batman Returns. NO poison ivy please, Mr Freeze is a stretch, and it would take an entire movie to explain to people again, why Catwoman parades around like a cat. Their Harley Quinn casting is horrible too. Matthew McConnaughey as Deadshot yeeeppp. epic win for empire 😉
and just cuz Killer Croc has been portrayed as an actual croc monster with a tail doesnt mean he always was, merely some person with an extreme medical skin condition that makes his skin APPEAR to be rough and coarse reminiscent of a crocodile, in which case was left in the sewers by his mother because of that and who gone crazy and philed his teeth sharp
Your idea of Croc could work in Nolanverse. I also agree with what you said about Penguin, Ivy and Freeze and Catwoman. Catwoman may work also since she is a jewel thief.
The more I think about it.. the more I like the idea of a Black Mask/The Reaper movie. Black Mask can take over the mob scene (replace Joker with Heath's death). The Reaper can be doing his thing, and Batman is being blame for all the murders (since it's a guy in a mask).
I don't know, but I really think the two could work in the current state of Gotham. I would love to see a Penguin cameo where Batman shows up at his club and shakes him down for information just like he does in the comics. I just can't see a full movie with him in it.