Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Ermm .. Batman's willpower is severly underestimated 😬 (though keep in mind, I'm not suggesting he would beat Hal in a ring fight, especially since the OP made it seem like Batman suddenly recives a GL ring and with no training or anything, he gets to fight Hal)
its not his willpower being underrated, but it comes down to the type or willpower required to use a gl ring...
Originally posted by RaoulWhat the hell does that have to do with his using a ring? Hell if anything that farther supports his willpowers force! It would be easy to just forget, feel sorry for yourself, let it destroy you or not do anything because of something like that but instead he constintly reminds himself and wills himself to overcome what caused it and everything he needs to do that.
i'm not saying he doesn't have willpower, of course he does, but batman has shown his own unwillingness to get over his parents death, which stops him from using the ring...
That just shows his will to utlize and avenge it. IMO
Originally posted by Entity
What the hell does that have to do with his using a ring? Hell if anything that farther supports his willpowers force! It would be easy to just forget, feel sorry for yourself, let it destroy you or not do anything because of something like that but instead he constintly reminds himself and wills himself to overcome what caused it and everything he needs to do that.That just shows his will to utlize and avenge it. IMO
please, for the love of god, read the comic... gl v4 issue 9...
Your 'doesn't have the type of willpower required to be a GL' was ambiguous, and could have been interpreted differently.
Anyway, Batman has shown to be able to use a GL ring in the same story you are referencing, and the only reason he stopped is because he 'willingly' didn't want to. I have absolutley no doubt that if Batman truly wants to, and knows he is in a fight, he can use a power ring.
And, as the scan above shows, he has the willpower necessary to do it, and if needed be, I'll show more demonstrations of his willpower.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Your 'doesn't have the type of willpower required to be a GL' was ambiguous, and could have been interpreted differently.Anyway, Batman has shown to be able to use a GL ring in the same story you are referencing, and the only reason he stopped is because he 'willingly' didn't want to. I have absolutley no doubt that if Batman truly wants to, and knows he is in a fight, he can use a power ring.
And, as the scan above shows, he has the willpower necessary to do it, and if needed be, I'll show more demonstrations of his willpower.
but thats the point, to use the ring more effectively, he would have to move on from what happened to his parents, which he wasn't willing to do... even in a forum fight, i can't see him doing that...
i'm not doubting bruce's will. at all.
green arrow has plenty of willpower, but because its cynical, the ring is difficult for him to use...
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrBruce Wayne's will power is unquestionable, I don't see how they can actually be arguing it. And I've never heard of their being a special kind of will power for Lanterns, just willpower in general and the only type I know of myself.
Your 'doesn't have the type of willpower required to be a GL' was ambiguous, and could have been interpreted differently.Anyway, Batman has shown to be able to use a GL ring in the same story you are referencing, and the only reason he stopped is because he 'willingly' didn't want to. I have absolutley no doubt that if Batman truly wants to, and knows he is in a fight, he can use a power ring.
And, as the scan above shows, he has the willpower necessary to do it, and if needed be, I'll show more demonstrations of his willpower.
Now I did see that Ollie couldn't really use one but that was more because what drives him isn't so much willpower as he's so cynical
Originally posted by Raoul
but thats the point, to use the ring more effectively, he would have to move on from what happened to his parents, which he wasn't willing to do... even in a forum fight, i can't see him doing that...i'm not doubting bruce's will. at all.
green arrow has plenty of willpower, but because its cynical, the ring is difficult for him to use...
Whether he would or not do that is dependant on circumstances and subjective. Why I did get into this thread is because Bruce's willpower is underrated, not his capability to use a GL ring.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Are you assuming that Hal has greater willpower than Batman??
I'm not assuming anything. I'm going by what's on panel. Both Bats and Green Arrow had a tough time wielding the GL ring.
Does that mean that Batman's willpower is inferior to Hal? Not particularly since willpower varies by activity.
When it comes to the ring though, Hal's >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce.
It's similar to when Hal wielded a bunch of yellow rings operated by fear and Sinerstro was still > Hal with 1 ring.
i'm NOT saying bruce doesn't have impressive willpower... this is the second time i've had to say it...
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Whether he would or not do that is dependant on circumstances and subjective. Why I did get into this thread is because Bruce's willpower is underrated, not his capability to use a GL ring.
i'm not underrating it...
Originally posted by Entity
Regardless of his will power and ability to even use the damn ring, its been shown, stated and even implemented that Bruce has contingency plans for all the JLA should they go rogue.Including Hal Jordan!
Why wouldn't he be able to just use any one of those against him?
those plans require prep.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
When Ollie used the ring he could barely muster firing a green arrow, after which he felt like he hadn't slept in days.Batman's personality was likewise depicted to limit his use of the ring. That doesn't mean he lacks willpower. It does mean he gets stomped by Hal Jordan.
thank you...
Originally posted by Raoul
great, be a smart-arse, that's really productive...
Im not being a smart-ass. It seems to me that the people you are debating with have read material needed for this debate but you still told somebody to do some more reading.
You're also telling people that they don't understand what you're saying when it seems they do, they just don't agree. Its some food for thought.
Originally posted by Entity
Regardless of his will power and ability to even use the damn ring, its been shown, stated and even implemented that Bruce has contingency plans for all the JLA should they go rogue.Including Hal Jordan!
Why wouldn't he be able to just use any one of those against him?
Er he doesn't get any prep, so thats irrelevant.
Originally posted by Raoul
i'm NOT saying bruce doesn't have impressive willpower... this is the second time i've had to say it...i'm not underrating it...
When did I ever said that you were underestimating it ? But since we're talking about this, like I said, the 'doesn't have the type of willpower required to be a GL' can be interpreted as Batman's willpower not being good enough for him to be a GL, which is wrong.
In fact, the instance you're reffering from when Batman willingly gave up the ring, doesn't really have anything to do with willpower, but with Bruce simply not wanting to put that night where his parents died behind him.
Bruce has the willpower to be a Green Lantern. Period.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Batman's personality was likewise depicted to limit his use of the ring. That doesn't mean he lacks willpower.
Exactly. The problems he displayed in trying to use the ring had nothing to do with willpower, but with his refusal to let go of the night his parents died.
