Dateline: To Catch A Predator

Originally posted by Syren
I'm sorry if this offends you, but pedophiles **** children. I can't bring myself to remember that pedophiles are people because I'm too busy concentrating on the fact that children are children.

The pedophiles should get on their knees and beg for forgiveness. Do you really think they mean it? Most of them defend their actions and sugar coat their behaviour with the 'free love' angle, spewing about love being beautiful. It's disgusting and to be quite frank, I do enjoy seeing them squirm. I don't think shows like this are extreme enough, personally.

I apologise for taking delight in a pervert's life being ruined. But let's not forget that they've probably molested or raped a fair few children and quite possibly ruined their lives.

You have far too much sympathy for people in this 'desperate situation'. It's people like you who allow the filth to recreate their pathetic lives under a different name altogether. That's justice for you.

I don't remember being sympathetic to predators.

However, I don't believe it is moral to televise the arrest of anyone. Public humiliation like that supersedes justice. There is nothing moral about distributing the worst moments of a persons life to millions of people no matter who they are.

Are you in favor of public executions as well? Should we put prisoners in a stock and pillory?

Originally posted by chithappens
Something like that. The car situation is different because not just anyone would check to see if a car was locked. You more than likely are in a tight spot. It is a sort of bait but that is not the same thing because you not being constantly nurtured into thoughts of security.

With the Dateline show, you are constantly dangling the carrot in front of the rabbit. And I know what they say about the show, the man always starts the sexual conversation, but I highly doubt it is like that every time. Again, sexual innuendo is not always as blunt a cock, ****, BJ, and so on. It even be metaphorical. The way the "professional" is talking, you might beat it at the PC screen. We don't know what was said. Regardless, no excuse for going over there.

Now the thing is the guys are looking for teenage girls to have sex with more than likely. Let's say for a moment this is not on the show but an actual situation: The girl has to allow him to talk to her like that, give him an address, and LET THE MAN IN THE HOUSE. It does not take a pint of common sense to see why that is questionable. So suddenly when the girl turns 18 she gains all sorts of wisdom that was before liked in this "post-18" box. I understand she can't legally consent, but there has to be some fault that goes to the lack of judgment. And that lack of judgment is then also shared with the parents.

It is not all the man or all the girl or all the parent. It is a shared fault. "He is supposed to know better" does not mean a damn thing. People are people. People do not mature like wine. Yeah a grown man should ignore a teenage girl, but turning 18 does not mean it is now somehow morally ok because her mind suddenly blossomed.

I'm not for a man taking advantage of teenage girls, but to say it is completely the fault of the man is ludicrous in a real situation.

what it seems like you are arguing that because the girl shows interest in the mans attention, he is less criminally guilty of having sex with a minor, or of showing up to have sex with a minor.

Girls at that age probably would be very sexually receptive to older men. Because it is fairly reasonable to assume teens and pre-teens on the internet looking for sex are probably not mature enough to be making those decisions, ESPECIALLY with regards to older people, even if we assume they don't have predatory intentions.

The burden is on the man in this situation to know that it is inappropriate to engage in sexual acts with young girls.

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't remember being sympathetic to predators.

However, I don't believe it is moral to televise the arrest of anyone. Public humiliation like that supersedes justice. There is nothing moral about distributing the worst moments of a persons life to millions of people no matter who they are.

Are you in favor of public executions as well? Should we put prisoners in a stock and pillory?

You seem to be showing more sympathy than most, is all.

I just don't agree with you, I'm sorry. I won't try to make you agree with me but in the case of pedophiles, showing their worst moments on live television doesn't even come close to harsh enough in my eyes. I'm not suggesting every person who commits a crime should be humiliated in the same way, obviously. But in these cases, with these people, I enjoy seeing them being brought to their knees in public. They deserve no less.

See above, I clearly am not recommending such extremes for everyone.

No, not even lessen the sentence for the man, but look at how people are reacting.

The kids have no blame and the parents have no blame AT ALL!

Not because of logic, but JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SO.

Originally posted by Syren
You seem to be showing more sympathy than most, is all.

I just don't agree with you, I'm sorry. I won't try to make you agree with me but in the case of pedophiles, showing their worst moments on live television doesn't even come close to harsh enough in my eyes. I'm not suggesting every person who commits a crime should be humiliated in the same way, obviously. But in these cases, with these people, I enjoy seeing them being brought to their knees in public. They deserve no less.

See above, I clearly am not recommending such extremes for everyone.

So what other criminals should beg for mercy on national TV?

Originally posted by chithappens
So what other criminals should beg for mercy on national TV?

Rapists, murderers, child molesters, pedophiles and cat burglars 😊

Why is it necessary to humiliate them? Make you feel better about yourself?

originally posted by inimalist
its pretty sick how entertaining I find it

i'm not sure if this show really qualifies as entrapment but it's undoubtedly in bad taste. then again that's why i watch it.

Originally posted by chithappens
Why is it necessary to humiliate them? Make you feel better about yourself?

😆

You've got to be kidding. Are you honestly trying to get a rise out of me? And here I thought this was a mature discussion.

Ok, I'll make it plain.

I see nothing wrong with these stings being set up to catch pedophiles because in my personal opinion pedophiles are genuine scum. I can't bring myself to feel the slightest bit of sympathy for their 'plight' and the humiliation they experience isn't even close enough to the shame they should be feeling for their actions.

I enjoy seeing them squirm, they deserve it and more. I have not suggested once that other criminals should go through the same. This thread is about a particular television program and we are discussing the morality of it. I, personally, think it's brilliant.

Ok? Done here? I'm not going to drop into a ***** fight with anyone 🙂

You didn't answer the question so I'll ask another way:

What does humiliation accomplish?

Edit:
They are being locked up more than likely and going to registered as a sex offender. I fail to see how seeing a criminal squirm is adding much. Those who squirm are just snakes anyway. The real psychos enjoy the attention; they couldn't want it more.

Originally posted by chithappens
You didn't answer the question so I'll ask another way:

What does humiliation accomplish?

Edit:
They are being locked up more than likely and going to registered as a sex offender. I fail to see how seeing a criminal squirm is adding much. Those who squirm are just snakes anyway. The real psychos enjoy the attention; they couldn't want it more.

Nothing. Why are you asking these questions? I've already told you that I enjoy seeing them humiliated. It's a personal thing, because I think they deserve it. I didn't say it was going to accomplish anything other than to provide me with some sort of sick satisfaction. I fully admit that my joy at their pain is possibly a little out of order, but I don't mind. At least I'm not the one fiddling with children 🙂

Psychologically this is very damaging.

Trauma inflicted on a dysfunctional mind leads to further dysfunction.

If a mentally healthy person is humiliated The Trauma can be a good thing spurring you to success. for example: Oprah, and The Woman currently President Of Chile whose childhood was disrupted by violence

Destructive Trauma on a weak mind can unhinge it completely
Making Them a Greater Danger to the community

I hate this show, it's aimed at hateful people who will only like something that is against the things they're against very strongly. I mean whoever came up with the idea of "I know what people like to see, paedophiles getting caught." it's just disturbing, the paedophiles and the crew/fans.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I hate this show, it's aimed at hateful people who will only like something that is against the things they're against very strongly. I mean whoever came up with the idea of "I know what people like to see, paedophiles getting caught." it's just disturbing, the paedophiles and the crew/fans.

A good point. How many people who watch the actually do it out of an interest in seeing justice dealt out? Is it not more likely people watch to satisfy their personal lusts for vigilantism...They can watch and say "that man is a pedophile...hes evil...Im better than him" and so on. A release of sorts...perhaps.

Originally posted by shiv
Psychologically this is very damaging.

Trauma inflicted on a dysfunctional mind leads to further dysfunction.

If a mentally healthy person is humiliated The Trauma can be a good thing spurring you to success. for example: Oprah, and The Woman currently President Of Chile whose childhood was disrupted by violence

Destructive Trauma on a weak mind can unhinge it completely
Making Them a Greater Danger to the community

Originally posted by chithappens
I'm not for a man taking advantage of teenage girls, but to say it is completely the fault of the man is ludicrous in a real situation.

If a grown man drives to a house where he know a 14 year old girl lives in order to have sex with her, how is it not completely his fault?

You're essentially arguing that the 14 year old being a little flirtatious **** online excuse the adult of doing wrong or some part of it.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I hate this show, it's aimed at hateful people who will only like something that is against the things they're against very strongly. I mean whoever came up with the idea of "I know what people like to see, paedophiles getting caught." it's just disturbing, the paedophiles and the crew/fans.

Stupid assertion.

Originally posted by Robtard
If a grown man drives to a house where he know a 14 year old girl lives in order to have sex with her, how is it not completely his fault?

You're essentially arguing that the 14 year old being a little flirtatious **** online excuse the adult of doing wrong or some part of it.

It should imo. 🙂

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It should imo. 🙂

Why?

a friend of a friend was partying at a club, there was a girl invading his personal space all night.

They made out

He saw her a week later stepping off a school bus carrying a class of 15 year olds

He freaked out.