Powerless Arena Free-For-All

Originally posted by jalek moye
if you remove all that she wont be dodging sniper bullets are any of the stuff she did back then shes just a skilled women in this sitaution and these guys are just as skilled yet only stronger and atleast black panther and wolverine are faster

If I "remove all that" as I have, Black Canary loses her Canary Cry, and that's about it as she isn't superhuman in other aspects, and retains her near Lady Shiva level martial arts prowess.

If I "remove all that" as I have, then Wolverine and Black Panther similarly aren't doing many of the things they can normally do since they lose their enhancements as well.

If I "remove all that" Black Canary and Batgirl are still more skilled than Black Panther, and pretty much equal in skill with Wolverine, who hasn't been given any time to adjust to relying on skill, if not better with the case of Batgirl.

But they're chicks... so of course they don't stand a chance.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If I "remove all that" as I have, she's still stronger and faster than she was when she was a child, meaning she can still accomplish similar things but to a lesser extent and can still rip a man's throat out or stop a man's heart with a single strike.

If I "remove all that" as I have, Black Canary loses her Canary Cry, and that's about it as she isn't superhuman in other aspects, and retains her near Lady Shiva level martial arts prowess.

If I "remove all that" as I have, then Wolverine and Black Panther similarly aren't doing many of the things they can normally do since they lose their enhancements as well.

If I "remove all that" Black Canary and Batgirl are still more skilled than Black Panther, and pretty much equal in skill with Wolverine, who hasn't been given any time to adjust to relying on skill, if not better with the case of Batgirl.

But they're chicks... so of course they don't stand a chance.

black panther is prettty much equal in skill with wolverine. And if you remove all black pantehrs he's still peak human so hes gonna be stronger and faster then both.

Originally posted by jalek moye
black panther is prettty much equal in skill with wolverine.

Originally posted by jalek moye
And if you remove all black pantehrs he's still peak human so hes gonna be stronger and faster then both.

Wolverine with his 5' stocky frame will be nowhere near as nimble.

And all either Batgirl or Black Canary need is a single hit to kill.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nah. He'll be stronger. And possibly faster if they were in a foot race, but they're not. He won't be as quick or as agile in a H2H fight though.

Wolverine with his 5' stocky frame will be nowhere near as nimble.

And all either Batgirl or Black Canary need is a single hit to kill.

Because Wolverine is a muscular midget. He won't be fast.

Black panther still will have peak human speed tho

It all comes down to Black Panther, Batgirl, and Diana.

Tough choice once it gets down to those 3.

Originally posted by Avlon
It all comes down to Black Panther, Batgirl, and Diana.

Tough choice once it gets down to those 3.

i say black pantehr cuz of the physical advantage and in a situation like this where they are close to real life counterparts t'challa would dominate

Originally posted by jalek moye
Black panther still will have peak human speed tho

And if we're playing that they're all "peak human" then all of Batgirl's feats of strength and speed are valid, because she isn't a metahuman.

I've left the opening post and follow-up clarification open to interpretation, because I didn't think it would require such stringent clarification. They'll all be superb athletes, male or female, they may have inherent advantages due to their builds, but nothing that can't be overcome with a degree of skill.

Originally posted by Avlon
It all comes down to Black Panther, Batgirl, and Diana.

Tough choice once it gets down to those 3.

I would consider Dinah more skilled than Diana though despite that Diana is supposed to be a crapload more skilled. Also the power draining arena would be of greater detriment to Diana's fighting ability.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Under that rationale they [b]all have "peak human speed."

And if we're playing that they're all "peak human" then all of Batgirl's feats of strength and speed are valid, because she isn't a metahuman.

I've left the opening post and follow-up clarification open to interpretation, because I didn't think it would require such stringent clarification. They'll all be superb athletes, male or female, they may have inherent advantages due to their builds, but nothing that can't be overcome with a degree of skill. [/B]

but, call me crazy but i still think thor shouldn't be in this 😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Under that rationale they [b]all have "peak human speed."

And if we're playing that they're all "peak human" then all of Batgirl's feats of strength and speed are valid, because she isn't a metahuman.

I've left the opening post and follow-up clarification open to interpretation, because I didn't think it would require such stringent clarification. [/B]

Theres no way that if they are both the highest a human can get thats she gonna be stronger or faster becuase at there peaks male peak human> female peak human(physically) im just staing since everybody figured its them as if they were almost normal people.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
but, call me crazy but i still think thor shouldn't be in this 😕

Originally posted by jalek moye
Theres no way that if they are both the highest a human can get thats she gonna be stronger or faster becuase at there peaks male peak human> female peak human(physically) im just staing since everybody figured its them as if they were almost normal people.

But I didn't intend this as a peak human contest, rather they're analogous builds. And thus more a contest of skill.

Nor did I intend for this to be Thor's tall he wins. Or the ludicrousness of people rating a blind Daredevil above Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Black Canary because he's a guy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I needed a 10th... I don't see anyone complaining about the blind guy.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't say that taking them as "peak human" means that the women will be stronger, I'm saying that taking them as "peak human" means that all of Batgirl's feats from kicking a hole in a brick prison wall to her numerous "speedblitzes" become valid, since she isn't metahuman.

But I didn't intend this as a peak human contest, rather they're analogous builds. And thus more a contest of skill.

Nor did I intend for this to be Thor's tall he wins.

well even the situation ur saying. Black panther is well built male with peak strength and speed and skill that equal or alittle less then batgirl. Batgirl is a girl(not excatly sure what to call her build) with peak stregnth and speed and equal or alittle greater skill then black panther. So in that situation who do you think would win

Originally posted by jalek moye
well even the situation ur saying. Black panther is well built male with peak strength and speed and skill less then batgirl. Batgirl is a girl(not excatly sure what to call her build) with peak stregnth and speed and greater skill then black panther. So in that situation who do you think would win

He'd be one of my picks for doing well here though due to his intellect and yes skills, but not just "because he's a guy."

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I fixed your post. And I'd call it a toss up. With the exception of Val Armorr, who doesn't count because he's ludicrous, Batgirl can probably be considered within the top 3 martial artists in DC. Black Panther could probably edge in the top 10 in Marvel, just.

He'd be one of my picks for doing well here, but not just "because he's a guy."

hes atleast in the top 5 i mean hes basically as good as captain america a little less do to caps experiance

Captain America, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine.

Then there are others who could try and claim those other two slots.

And then there's also people above these, like Gamora, Mantis, Moondragon, Ogun, Stick, Temugin who aren't included.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Captain America, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine.

Then there are others who could try and claim those other two slots.

And then there's also people above these, like Gamora, Mantis, Moondragon, Ogun, Stick, Temugin who aren't included.