Originally posted by Darth Raizen
Don't go by assumptions. There's no telling actually how long it took him to actually destroy most of the South Galaxy.
We saw the galaxy go up at once. Unless you think Broly is crazily faster than light, fast enough to blow each planet in a galaxy individually so fast that they all go at the same time. Which too me would be even more impressive than blowing the whole thing at once, I don't think I've seen anyone in anything do something like that.
Re: Who is more powerful then brolly in DBZ
Originally posted by carver9Oh I'm sorry are you one of those people who thinks broly is unstoppable, come on broly is stronger than perfect cell I'll give you but he's just south of a super saiyan 2.
Is there anyone in dbz that was more powerful then brolly. The guy took on the entire team of dbz and didnt flinch from any of there blows. Before he even went super saiyan he didnt even feel none of goku attacks. The guy grabbed a small space pod, smushed it and through it out of orbit with ease.He shot a blast as small as his hands and it destroyed a planet. Is there any beings on dbz that was as strong if not stronger then brolly, the solar system destroying character. The guy who punch through mountains and basically has limitless power. Never shown weakened or depowered.
I honestly think that he is a lot more powerful then cell but I want to see other people thoughts.
As much as I hate the DBZ anime , there is no denying that the galaxy was instantaneously shattered in the first scene of the movie :
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Originally posted by BloodRain
Timeframe makes it unquantifiable. Just look at how fast the galaxy is rotating.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Timeframe makes it unquantifiable. Just look at how fast the galaxy is rotating.
You can assume that the border rotates just under c relative to the center. If r is the radius of the galaxy the time passing, is t = |⦨|r/c, where ⦨ is the angle in radians.
We then have Broly's age as a limiting factor, as well as the timeframe given.
I'd dismiss the two weakest links. The rotation would be dismissed as artistic effect, and counting frames is never reliable as no movie or game or movie has a steady continuum of time.
So the most reliable answer would be Broly's age. You could probably restrict that to around a decade since he's as old as Goku, and Goku was 21 when Gohan was 3, meaning that he was 10 not counting the time he spent in the room of time and spirit.
Meaning that Broly should be 28 in the 8th movie, and since his powers blossomed in his late teens it's impossible that the destruction would've been caused earlier than that.
More impressive than Cell for sure, but at the same time Broly wasn't at the level of chō saiya jin 2 Gohan. So if you go by feats, then Broly, by scaling, chō saiya jin 2 Cell.
Everyone keeps posting levels of super saiyan that can defeat Broly but the fact is that Broly is a Saiyan and on multiple occasions (though not in the movie) Broly exceeds a "Super Saiyan" power. Super Saiyan Broly is stronger then Super Saiyan Goku. Super Saiyan II Goku might be stronger then Super Saiyan Broly, but if you put it in the same aspect with a Super Saiyan II Broly then he's stronger again! God my screen is illuminated with red lines telling me that I spelled stuff wrong. Anyways.. Broly is more powerful then any other known Saiyan. It takes more then person everytime to defeat him. He can defeat; Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, Goten, etc. We've already seen this in the movies. That's why they always have at least 2-3 people team up on him and if not two bodies 5 power levels (example the first movie).
Broly is more powerful then all known DB Series Enemies.
Which is an inconsistent claim since in DBZ Freeza was the most powerful being in the universe. Hah.. Androids, Cell, Dabora, Buu, Broly, Baby, blah blah blah blah blah.
Yes but Broly is still a Saiyan just like Goku. He comes back stronger everytime, just like Vegeta and every other Saiyan. So if Broly was to come back, he would be stronger then he was last time and judging by the increase of power each saiyan tends to face everytime they come back from near death, I'd say he'd come back twice as powerful as last time which by the way- was more powerful then SSJ2 Gohan & Goten.
If he got enough zenkai boosts then he'd surpass any character in Dragon Ball -- assuming that the boost doesn't converge to zero --, sure.
But that's the inevitability of the situation. If his power is noted by x, and the function f denote the zenkai boost so that f(x) is his power level after the first zenkai boost, f(f(x)) ≡ f2(x) the boost after the second zenkai, ..., and fn(x) the boost after the nth zenkai, and fn(x) → ∞ when n → ∞, then there's a value k such that fk(x) > y, for all finite values of y.
But that's the case for every saiyan, and it's not practically applicable because they're not immortal.
Furthermore, as far as the movies are concerned he never reached the power of a super saiyan 2.
Well if we are to believe that Gohan was going all out against Broly in part 2 then he would be at Super Saiyan 2. And we clearly see Broly effortlessly kicking the crap out of him. Then Broly even begins to overpower Gohan Goten and Goku at the same time.
Broly in second coming was >>>>> than your average Super Saiyan 2
But since they call SSJ2 "Accended Super Saiyan" then we can assume that Broly's Transformation into his giant form would be his unique SSJ2 form since he is the Legandary Super Saiyan and since we see him as a normal Super Saiyan and he isn't huge. He could also be using the "Ultimate Super Saiyan" form that Trunks used when he was pounded by Cell
Broly's nomal SSJ was stronger than other people's. His 2nd transformation was much stronger than Gohan's SSJ2. It's very likely that had he lived long enough to reach SSJ3 his power would dwarf Goku's at that level
Originally posted by Astner
Not really.You can assume that the border rotates just under c relative to the center. If r is the radius of the galaxy the time passing, is t = |⦨|r/c, where ⦨ is the angle in radians.
We then have Broly's age as a limiting factor, as well as the timeframe given.
I'd dismiss the two weakest links. The rotation would be dismissed as artistic effect, and counting frames is never reliable as no movie or game or movie has a steady continuum of time.
So the most reliable answer would be Broly's age. You could probably restrict that to around a decade since he's as old as Goku, and Goku was 21 when Gohan was 3, meaning that he was 10 not counting the time he spent in the room of time and spirit.
Meaning that Broly should be 28 in the 8th movie, and since his powers blossomed in his late teens it's impossible that the destruction would've been caused earlier than that.
More impressive than Cell for sure, but at the same time Broly wasn't at the level of chō saiya jin 2 Gohan. So if you go by feats, then Broly, by scaling, chō saiya jin 2 Cell.
It it wasnt with a single move, so its not a Galaxy busting attack. Besides, we have no way of knowing if it was from several attacks or chain reactions. We can't get a feat if we don't know what he did or how he did it.
Btw Supreme Kai says that each Kai is a thousand times stronger than Freeza, is that in any way comparable to his PL?
Originally posted by juggerman
Well if we are to believe that Gohan was going all out against Broly in part 2 then he would be at Super Saiyan 2. And we clearly see Broly effortlessly kicking the crap out of him. Then Broly even begins to overpower Gohan Goten and Goku at the same time.Broly in second coming was >>>>> than your average Super Saiyan 2
But since they call SSJ2 "Accended Super Saiyan" then we can assume that Broly's Transformation into his giant form would be his unique SSJ2 form since he is the Legandary Super Saiyan and since we see him as a normal Super Saiyan and he isn't huge. He could also be using the "Ultimate Super Saiyan" form that Trunks used when he was pounded by Cell
Broly's nomal SSJ was stronger than other people's. His 2nd transformation was much stronger than Gohan's SSJ2. It's very likely that had he lived long enough to reach SSJ3 his power would dwarf Goku's at that level
Originally posted by BloodRain
It it wasnt with a single move, so its not a Galaxy busting attack. Besides, we have no way of knowing if it was from several attacks or chain reactions. We can't get a feat if we don't know what he did or how he did it.
He did destroy the galaxy, that's a given. The only question is; how long it took him. In which case we enter a grey interval where you can't determine the exact time frame using the movie.
An absolute limit is his birth, he couldn't have begun the destruction prior to his birth.
A second limit is when he unlocked his powers and actually managed to wreck consequential havoc.
A third limit is the short period it took for Kai to realize that something was wrong prior to informing Goku.
But only the first can give us any tangible data, which is <27 years. But that's not to say that the time-frame 1 year or less would be unreasonable.
I'll have to admit that I'm not the biggest fan of Broly, but I'm going to subvert him.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Btw Supreme Kai says that each Kai is a thousand times stronger than Freeza, is that in any way comparable to his PL?
Originally posted by Astner
The problem with your reasoning is that the characters continue to grow in their base form even after they've unlocked new transformations.Goku in the Frieza arc was still weaker than he was in the Cell arc even if we ignore all transformations.
That's completely ridiculously untrue. MSSJ is still the 50x multiple of your base yet Goku far surpassed Vegeta or Trunks who had better multipliers.
Their bases do increase, this is the worst thing I've ever read.