Will The Dark Knight beat Titanic's box office?

No, you're wrong, because the entire thrust of this thread is not "Will TDK get kinda close to beating Titanic and we shall say it really has beaten it because of my totally arbitrary idea of how many of those who pirated would have instead gone to see it if that piracy had not been possible despite that being an impossible figure to quanitify."

It is

"Will it beat it?"

As I say, if you want to say 'No it won't, and this is because of piracy', then fine. As I say, deeply arguable, but that is an answer.

But that does not make the answer to the question 'Yes'. The answer will not be 'Yes' unless it reaches nine hudnred million.

If we want to judge the answer to the question, the only accurate measure is the inflation adjusted figure. And taking into account inflation is totally conceptiually unlike any other measure mentioned, which were all reasons why it might be less popular, not the accurate indication of the meaning of the monetary figures used, which is what the inflation point is- the way of looking at the money correctly.

So no, not just my story. THE story. The story that happens to be correct, logical and true.

What is it you want to celebrate, exactly? That fewer people saw it but the tickets cost more? Are you seriously telling me that more expensive tickets are something to celebrate? That's what do if you do not apply inflation.

I think there are really two stats which, together, give a interesting view, which would be an inflation adjusted box office and the number of tickets sold.

Well, Ush since you brought the inflation factor in to the discussion I do find it fair that I should bring in the piracy factor.

After all....piracy is the outcome of high inflation.

Am I right? (yes)

"As I say, if you want to say 'No it won't, and this is because of piracy', then fine. "

Oh, good...we're on the same page now.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, Ush since you brought the inflation factor in to the discussion I do find it fair that I should bring in the piracy factor.

Totally different factors.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
After all....piracy is the outcome of high inflation.

Am I right? (yes)

No, you are wrong.

"As I say, if you want to say 'No it won't, and this is because of piracy', then fine. "

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Oh, good...we're on the same page now.

Excellent

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Good Lord, WD, did your basic logical capabilies fail or something? Read my post properly next time.

Like I say, if you want to try use use piracy as an excuse as to WHY TDK is not as popular as Titianic fine. It's HIGHLY debateable but fine.

But that will not change the FACT that it is NOT AS POPULAR if it does not hit that nine hundred million mark. And claiming it is more popular is effectively what you are trying to say here.

So stop messing around with feeble points which just make you look silly. The base logic, truth and fact of what I have said is clear to anyone with a brain. Inflation isn't 'why TDK has done well' Inlfation is simply why its appearance of making the money it has cannot simply be directly mapped onto the apperance of how much money Titanic mnade because that is not a fair or reasonable measure.

Again.

[b]If the Dark Knight does not make more than nine hundred million at the domestic box office, then it has not been as successful as Titanic at the domestic box office, because fewer people saw it.

Excuse that any way you like- it will still be true.

That is the entirity of the story. Everything else is an irrelevant distraction born of self-delusive bias.

The inflation 'argument' is the only relevant point to make- because that actually affects what the sales figures mean. Whereas eveeything else is just an excuse for why it does not do as well. [/B]

i think piracy does play a role actually. When TDK came out, i was working at a detail shop and all of my co-workers (about 4 of them) said they just "Bootlegged it" offline instead of going to a movie theater.
Now lets see:
$8.25 per ticket x 4 people = $33

Now times that by millions, and you'll see how much TDK is losing to piracy.
O but like you said, this is "HIGHLY debatable" 🙄

Originally posted by TheGame17
i think piracy does play a role actually. When TDK came out, i was working at a detail shop and all of my co-workers (about 4 of them) said they just "Bootlegged it" offline instead of going to a movie theater.
Now lets see:
$8.25 per ticket x 4 people = $33

Now times that by millions, and you'll see how much TDK is losing to piracy.
O but like you said, this is "HIGHLY debatable" 🙄

It does and as mention before WB and other major studios have been figthing and uphill battle. There is always been piracy but as I have already mention before it has really evolve in the last 10 years. Even worse when it is online with all the utorrents.

I've already mention that it has also affect other films like Star Wars and Indiana Jones (which are known to be cash cows) Piracy is never going away and will always cost millions to the movie industry. Titanic was just lucky to have been release back in the late 90s.

The likes of WD are still not either understanding or reading my posts properly. The very first thing WD says- that I brought in inflation so he brought in piracy- demonstrates how much you have totally failed to understand the issue.

As I have keep explaining to you, piracy simply potentially explains why it does not do as well. Inflation has nothing to do with that. Inflation is simply about finding the true figure.

And piracy is the result of high inflation??! Do you even understand what inflation is? The effective cost of a cinema ticket hasn't changed. Geez. Anyway, that statement is not only nonsense, but sitll irrelevant to the discussion.

So. Despite all your waste of time posting, the fact is still this- only the inflation adjusted figures tell us if more people went to the cinema to see TDK than Titianic. The raw intake figures mean nothing, they simply mis-represent the issue. As I say, use those and you would simply be celebrating the fact that the TDK tickets cost more.

So again. This is simply about whether more people went to see TDK than Titanic. That's IT. It doesn't matter WHY they don't go and see it, the only thing that matters for saying if TDK beats Titanic is if enough people go, if the real value of the money it makes is more than Titanic's.

And so, with your last sentence- if you are conceeding that TDK will not truly beat Titanic, as that last sentence of yours does, why are you still arguing against the validity of the inflation adjusted figures? They are the ones that show that (truthfully).

I have one issue. I think the Inflation adjusted number tells us which movie drew a larger amount of all money. It basically says which movie was more succesful at the Box offices. It doesn't necessarily tell us which movie had more watchers in the cinemas, which I think, would also be an interesting number.

The post by Ush is perfectly understandable and readable. I wasn't disputing how it was written. However, I think that it is my POV which remains to be acknowledge (or purposely been ignore). Fine with me. I can't put it in simpler terms since there isn't a need of it.

As far as I can see there is agreement but no recognition. I'll leave it at that...I cannot phantom any further online contention with a person I hold high esteem.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I have one issue. I think the Inflation adjusted number tells us which movie drew a larger amount of all money. It basically says which movie was more succesful at the Box offices. It doesn't necessarily tell us which movie had more watchers in the cinemas, which I think, would also be an interesting number.

The two are directly connected though.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The two are directly connected though.

Movie Piracy has been here since the 1980's. Titanic had dealt with the same problem that these new movies had delt with.
They had the Internet in 1997. They had movie piracy. Its just today, it gets more media attention, compare to back than is all.

Originally posted by Joker1237
Movie Piracy has been here since the 1980's. Titanic had dealt with the same problem that these new movies had delt with.
They had the Internet in 1997. They had movie piracy. Its just today, it gets more media attention, compare to back than is all.

Today, unlike in '97, most people have a good internet connection, capable of downloading films etc. Of course piracy is a much bigger problem now than in 1997...

In 1997, they had good internet connection. Wireless was there also.

I think your over rated the piracy thing compare to money in comparing.
Titanic dealt with the same problem. Internet is a early 90's thing.

Originally posted by Joker1237
In 1997, they had good internet connection. Wireless was there also.

I think your over rated the piracy thing compare to money in comparing.
Titanic dealt with the same problem. Internet is a early 90's thing.

Of course the internet was around then. However, many fewer people actually had the internet in '97. It's the truth.

I hope not.
The Dark Knight is not that good movie.
Titanic was awesome, a totally awesome movie for eveyone 😛 💃
The Dark Knight is for fanboys or maybe teenagers.

Originally posted by Thorin
I hope not.
The Dark Knight is not that good movie.
Titanic was awesome, a totally awesome movie for eveyone 😛 💃
The Dark Knight is for fanboys or maybe teenagers.

The Dark Knight's a very good film, and clearly enjoyed by a much wider demographic than simply "teenagers". Have you actually seen the film?
As for Titanic, it's certainly not an awesome film for everyone, as I'm no fan, and many people on this forum would share such a sentiment, I know. Titanic's not a terrible film, it's a very good film, but it certainly isn't my cup of tea. There are, however, many films which I believe are considerably better than Titanic, and I do think it rather sucks that it's the highest grossing film of all time.
Having said that, I don't really see why it matters which film's made the most...

Originally posted by Thorin
I hope not.
The Dark Knight is not that good movie.
Titanic was awesome, a totally awesome movie for eveyone 😛 💃
The Dark Knight is for fanboys or maybe teenagers.

Originally posted by Thorin

The Dark Knight is for fanboys or maybe teenagers.

Yeah, because Titanic wasn't a hit with DiCaprio fangirls and teenagers. 🙄

The Dark Knight to get re-released in January for Oscar season: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=48744

Does that total count towards the regular box office numbers? If so, that could help push TDK over Titanic! 💃