Originally posted by anacondaReally? i met him too...........he was walking along smokin a dubie............I wouldn't pick him up though........I was told not to pick up strangers............. 🙁 God, I could have been saved!!
I actually met Jesus, but he didnt buy me back the beers I gave him so he was just a cheap ass.................jew????????????????????or cath, christian cold ass sob
Originally posted by ragesRemors
If God know's all then he knows how a particular person is going to live and die. Knowing all, God would have to be full aware of the choices that person would make in his life. If this person leads himself to damnation through a life full of sin. It is something that God would have to be aware of even before this person was breathed into existence. Does God create these people with a destiny to end up in hell? I suppose i am getting into calvinism here. We are, all of us predestined for either heaven or hell. If this is true...,God creates people destined for hell. It obviously destroy's the "free will" theory, but even more, what is the point?
Not all truth is pleasant!
Please understand that God does not cause anybody to go to hell. Rather, man chooses to go there on his own. You can see the progression of those who reject Christ in the first 3 chapters of the book of Romans. The wrath of God is revealed against the unrighteous because man rejects the Creator and worships the creation (Romans 1:18-20). Men profess to be wise in their own eyes (v. 22) and exchange the glory of God for created things. These people then continue in a downward spiral of sin that is listed in verses 28-31, sins to which all of us can relate. Not only do they participate in these sins, but they also approve of those who do them (v. 32). Not only do men have the creation of the world to see God’s power, but they also have their consciences convicting them of their sin (2:14-15). In the end, man is left without excuse that we deserve to die, and we stand condemned in front of God.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh so that "you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:30,31). This is another witness to God’s existence and also stands to condemn those men who choose to reject Christ as the Son of God. Because Christ came to pay the price of sin, and He came to "explain the Father" (John 1:18), man has no excuse for rejecting Him. Men choose to go to hell because they reject Christ, not because God causes them to go there. God has paid the price, revealed Himself to all, and now men are "without excuse" (Romans 1:20). God allows people to be born to give them the opportunity to believe, but it is man’s responsibility to make that choice. What kind of God would He be if He did not give man the opportunity to place his faith in the Lord?
This is still a very difficult concept to grasp. We can only cling to what we know about God’s nature and character, trust that His sovereignty and mercy do not contradict one another, and believe that everything He does and/or allows will ultimately be for His glory. We submit ourselves to Him in worship and obedience and trust that He "works all things according to the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11) and that His ways are perfect, even when we don’t understand them. "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he" (Deuteronomy 32:4).
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Not really, it was just a simple question.Can they prove they have the same feelings?
I wasn't really addressing any point just saying...
what would qualify as proof to you?
obviously one cannot confirm what some person, including yourself or myself, felt at any time. This includes through memory, as it is highly subject to distortion.
For all intents, we cannot prove that you have any feelings at all outside of your subjective expression of such.
I'm willing to try and prove this, I just am interested in knowing what it would take to show you
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Not really, it was just a simple question.Can they prove they have the same feelings?
I wasn't really addressing any point just saying...
So basically, you're asking if there's proof that people have faith in something other than the Christian God? I think a quick look through history will sufficiently answer your query.
In's post takes the subjective approach to this, which I think is what you're getting at in order to attempt to disprove them, but it's really not hard to see that your intuitions aren't the only ones around.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
So basically, you're asking if there's proof that people have faith in something other than the Christian God? I think a quick look through history will sufficiently answer your query.In's post takes the subjective approach to this, which I think is what you're getting at in order to attempt to disprove them, but it's really not hard to see that your intuitions aren't the only ones around.
I actually have nothing to say... 😕
Please understand that God does not cause anybody to go to hell. Rather, man chooses to go there on his own. You can see the progression of those who reject Christ in the first 3 chapters of the book of Romans. The wrath of God is revealed against the unrighteous because man rejects the Creator and worships the creation (Romans 1:18-20). Men profess to be wise in their own eyes (v. 22) and exchange the glory of God for created things. These people then continue in a downward spiral of sin that is listed in verses 28-31, sins to which all of us can relate. Not only do they participate in these sins, but they also approve of those who do them (v. 32). Not only do men have the creation of the world to see God’s power, but they also have their consciences convicting them of their sin (2:14-15). In the end, man is left without excuse that we deserve to die, and we stand condemned in front of God.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh so that "you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:30,31). This is another witness to God’s existence and also stands to condemn those men who choose to reject Christ as the Son of God. Because Christ came to pay the price of sin, and He came to "explain the Father" (John 1:18), man has no excuse for rejecting Him. Men choose to go to hell because they reject Christ, not because God causes them to go there. God has paid the price, revealed Himself to all, and now men are "without excuse" (Romans 1:20). God allows people to be born to give them the opportunity to believe, but it is man’s responsibility to make that choice. What kind of God would He be if He did not give man the opportunity to place his faith in the Lord?
This is still a very difficult concept to grasp. We can only cling to what we know about God’s nature and character, trust that His sovereignty and mercy do not contradict one another, and believe that everything He does and/or allows will ultimately be for His glory. We submit ourselves to Him in worship and obedience and trust that He "works all things according to the counsel of His will" (Ephesians 1:11) and that His ways are perfect, even when we don’t understand them. "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he" (Deuteronomy 32:4).