Thanos vs. Superman Prime (gUaRdIaN)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I facetiously pointed out that Bart was raping SMP before they were both BFR'ed. I never claimed anything about the Flashes.

Sure didn't work both times when Bart personally assaulted SMP. Twice.

Bart had to use every bit of Speed Force just to travel back in time. As stated by all the Flashes. On-panel. If he had the entire Speed Force when he assaulted SMP, why did he faint on arrival to the present and let Conner Kent die? And please do show me where Bart actively loses the Speed Force within a panel. I'd like to see this. Because the only thing I remember is Bart talking to Jay about how he had already lost the Speed Force in Infinite Crisis' epilogue. You're speculating that Bart had the entire Speed Force in him when he beat on SMP just to inflate SMP's history. Don't kid yourself.

2. Both times SMP was blindsided.

3. So in order to accomplish what SMP did on his own, Bart needed the whole Speed Force? Yet Bart>SMP? He fainted on his arrival to the present? Scan? Cause my issue of IC doesn't show him being knocked unconcious at all. Yeah, during his talk with Jay he states he lost the Speed Force. So are you saying that Bart lost the Speed Force before fighting SMP? So Bart was a normal human when he beat on SMP? Lol.

SMP is on a whole other magnitude of power than the Bart. Bart couldn't fly through the AM's chest(insides totally composed of AM Energy) unharmed, just a touch from the AM fried a Guardian.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He punched him a few times in the face while already in the process of putting SMP into the Speed Force, then the other Flash's grabbed SMP. He didn't have time to retaliate.

2. Both times SMP was blindsided.

3. So in order to accomplish what SMP did on his own, Bart needed the whole Speed Force? Yet Bart>SMP? He fainted on his arrival to the present? Scan? Cause my issue of IC doesn't show him being knocked unconcious at all. Yeah, during his talk with Jay he states he lost the Speed Force. So are you saying that Bart lost the Speed Force before fighting SMP? So Bart was a normal human when he beat on SMP? Lol.

SMP is on a whole other magnitude of power than the Bart. Bart couldn't fly through the AM's chest(insides totally composed of AM Energy) unharmed, just a touch from the AM fried a Guardian.

2. That's also fair.

3. Maybe it was the Monitor armor he had? This is the scan where Bart says he fainted and passed out: http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart.jpg Bart was not a normal human being when he beat on SMP, no need to be facetious. But he wasn't the "sum-total-of-the-Speed-Force" either. That much is made clear since he fainted. The entire Speed Force at his disposal and he passes out while his best friend Conner Kent gets killed? Lol.

Why are you comparing Bart and SMP as if they were fighting? I haven't. I was just commenting on your interpretation of how SMP dealt with Flashes, particularly Bart.

So that has what to do with this fight exactly...unless u guys r gonna try to say Thanos>speedforce now.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
3. Maybe it was the Monitor armor he had? This is the scan where Bart says he fainted and passed out: http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/aaloutbart.jpg Bart was not a normal human being when he beat on SMP, no need to be facetious. But he wasn't the "sum-total-of-the-Speed-Force" either. That much is made clear since he fainted. The entire Speed Force at his disposal and he passes out while his best friend Conner Kent gets killed? Lol.

Why are you comparing Bart and SMP as if they were fighting? I haven't. I was just commenting on your interpretation of how SMP dealt with Flashes, particularly Bart.

I said that both the times when Flashes have fought SMP without blindsiding him, he knocked them back. Which is true, both of those times they could not even really hurt him.

Which brings up another point, SMP was not injured visibly at all when attacked by Bart the first time, or even really the time when he punched him while putting him in the Speed Force.

But at the end of IC, Bart was not only able to beat SMP back, but busted his lip as well.

IMO, that is some evidence of an amp.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Yes I am serious. It took 6 Flashes to BFR SMP into the Speed Force.

SMP lost to teams of superheroes and 6 Flashes. Wow. TERRIBLE feat, SMP is clearly weak as fvck.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Only when he isn't blindsided he has been shown to effortlessly knock them back. On-panel.

2. Prime has a slight phobia of Speedsters due to fear of being put in the Speed Force. But when they attacked him in SC, SMP was not injured by any of their attacks and easily knocked them aside by flying forward. All on-panel.

3. He was BFRed by 6 Flashes, three of which were already in the Speed Force, two of which were sent into the Speed Force as well, one of which lost the Speed Force. WOW. SMP is clearly a weakling.

On panel they bfr'd him. They won. Thats whats on panel.

Again he lost. I never said he was weak. So quit putting words in my mouth please.

Originally posted by Galan007
they didn't defeat him either. like i said above, their punches did.... nothing, really.

of course he doesn't like speedsters, they gave him one hell of a bad memory when they dumped him in the speedforce during IC. so his 'fear' is quite understandable.

anyhow, it's true that prime flew away from the flashes [whom were knocked back/over just from him taking off], but he flew away from them and immediately engaged the multitude of heroes whom were practically on top of him. it's not like he flew away to some remote location and began weeping in fear. meh.

while they may have connected several punches, those punches gained them nothing at all. nothing. said punches acted as little more than an irritant.

so i ask how he "lost" to them?

ohh, and there's also this:

meh.

I never said he ran away in fear,but its obvious he is scared of the speedsters. Thats all I said.

The flashes bfr'd him. Thats how they defeated him. When did I say their punches defeated him? 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say he was weak as fu--? I sai dhe lost against the flashes which he did. He retaliated but didnt put any of the flashes down. Thats it.

On panel they bfr'd him. They won. Thats whats on panel.

Again he lost. I never said he was weak. So quit putting words in my mouth please.

2. On panel it took 6 Flashes to BFR him and they caught him off guard. Context.

3. No, but you are subtly trying to imply it.

And actually...Who cares?

What will Thanos do to stop Guardian Amped SMP?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. You are just doing what you always do, trying to subtly destroy SMP's credibility by taking shit out of context and using A>B>C logic. He retaliated and knocked them back effortlessly, hell, he has done it while not at full power.

2. On panel it took 6 Flashes to BFR him and they caught him off guard. Context.

3. No, but you are subtly trying to imply it.

And actually...Who cares?

What will Thanos do to stop Guardian Amped SMP?

2.Prime lost. It isnt a low showing but he clearly was overmatched.

3.No,Im not.

Prime doesnt have the power to beat Thanos. Not at all. He didnt beat anyone with his guardian amp straight up without help that is comparable to Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say he was weak as fu--? I sai dhe lost against the flashes which he did. He retaliated but didnt put any of the flashes down. Thats it.

On panel they bfr'd him. They won. Thats whats on panel.

Again he lost. I never said he was weak. So quit putting words in my mouth please. I never said either of their punches defeated either of them. I said the flashes bfr'd and defeated him.

I never said he ran away in fear,but its obvious he is scared of the speedsters. Thats all I said.

The flashes bfr'd him. Thats how they defeated him. When did I say their punches defeated him? 😬

cool beans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.I never said it was a low showing.

2.Prime lost. It isnt a low showing but he clearly was overmatched.

3.No,Im not.

Prime doesnt have the power to beat Thanos. Not at all. He didnt beat anyone with his guardian amp straight up without help that is comparable to Thanos.

2. In that he was unable to stop 6 Flashes from BFRing him when the first 3 caught him off guard, yeah.

3. Other than Monarch?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Cause it wasn't.

2. In that he was unable to stop 6 Flashes from BFRing him when the first 3 caught him off guard, yeah.

3. Other than Monarch?

2.He lost.

3.He ripped his armor off. Its not like Prime was standing there afterwards, victorious. He didnt defeat anyone on his own like I said even close to Thanos level. Thanos is way too much for Prime.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I never said it was. 🙂

2.He lost.

3.He ripped his armor off. Its not like Prime was standing there afterwards, victorious. He didnt defeat anyone on his own like I said even close to Thanos level. Thanos is way too much for Prime.

3. Who is alive, who is not? Oh yeah...SMP is alive, Monarch died.

And Monarch's feats include beating 50 Captain Atoms and 3 Superman at the same time.

But Thanos can do that, right? 🙄

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Under the same circumstances, so would Thanos. 🙂

3. Who is alive, who is not? Oh yeah...SMP is alive, Monarch died.

And Monarch's feats include beating 50 Captain Atoms and 3 Superman at the same time.

But Thanos can do that, right? 🙄

3.Prime didnt win tha battle and we have no clue if Monarch is alive or dead. So,you are speculating again.

Prime didnt beat Monarch. He pulled his armor open and wrecked his perfect universe. He didnt want that to happen.

Prime couldnt beat all the characters that Monarch didnt in the same manner imo.

Prime would get roasted by the more powerful,more durable Thanos imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2.Thanos would never be that unprepared. You are speculating. 🙂

3.Prime didnt win tha battle and we have no clue if Monarch is alive or dead. So,you are speculating again.

Prime didnt beat Monarch. He pulled his armor open and wrecked his perfect universe. He didnt want that to happen.

Prime couldnt beat all the characters that Monarch didnt in the same manner imo.

Prime would get roasted by the more powerful,more durable Thanos imo.

3. Yeah, he did win the battle. So we assume Monarch is alive? Prove Monarch survived. Monarch exploded.

No, but it did defeat Monarch, like it or not. Last we see of SMP, he is still alive and well, Monarch...Well we don't see of Monarch now do we? 🙂

You asked who Thanos level as SMP beaten(which is A>B>C logic btw), and I replied with Monarch and brought up aq feat of Monarch soloing many top tiers.

More powerful? Superman Prime punched a planet into nothingness, and SuperBOY Prime pushed a planet across the universe at high speeds, which takes MORE energy than destroying a planet. More durable? Superboy Prime while fighting a bunch of heroes and after sodomizing Sodam Yat flew through the Anti-Monitor's chest, he flew through Anti-Matter, a single touch from the AM fried a Guardian. Anti-Matter unmakes matter until there is nothing left. SMP also very likely survived a big bang. Lol.

The stronger, faster, more durable, and more powerful SMP wins.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Nope, IF(key word being if) Thanos were caught off guard like that, since Thanos is slower and physically weaker than SMP, he would be sent in the Speed Force.

3. Yeah, he did win the battle. So we assume Monarch is alive? Prove Monarch survived. Monarch exploded.

No, but it did defeat Monarch, like it or not. Last we see of SMP, he is still alive and well, Monarch...Well we don't see of Monarch now do we? 🙂

You asked who Thanos level as SMP beaten(which is A>B>C logic btw), and I replied with Monarch and brought up aq feat of Monarch soloing many top tiers.

More powerful? Superman Prime punched a planet into nothingness, and SuperBOY Prime pushed a planet across the universe at high speeds, which takes MORE energy than destroying a planet. More durable? Superboy Prime while fighting a bunch of heroes and after sodomizing Sodam Yat flew through the Anti-Monitor's chest, he flew through Anti-Matter, a single touch from the AM fried a Guardian. Anti-Matter unmakes matter until there is nothing left. SMP also very likely survived a big bang. Lol.

The stronger, faster, more durable, and more powerful SMP wins.

3.No,he didnt. He wasnt anywhere to be found in that universe. Prime tore his armor open and wasnt standing there. So,how did he win? Show me proof that Monarch is dead.

Yes,but we dont know where Monarch is or if he died. Just because they involved Prime in a story before Monarch that doesnt mean he is dead. Geez.

Prime didnt defeat Monarch. he tore open the armor and it ended with both losing. Monarch's whereabouts are unknown and Prime was bfr'd. On this board that counts as a loss.

Terrax destroyed a planet. Not really that impressive,but it shows that Prime needed a powerup to accomplish what Terrax can do on his own. Pushing a planet isnt impressive imo. It doesnt mean you can win a fight imo.

Prime was pulled out of the timestream imo. A monitor shield also survived this blast. Monitor shield>Prime but the looks of the comic. Prime didnt hold his ground and didnt stay put. Thats the point.

Thanos is more powerful,more durable,more versatile,and more intelligent. He also has shields that Prime will have to work for to even break through.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2.Thanos is smarter and a quicker thinker on his feet. he could teleport out of there.

3.No,he didnt. He wasnt anywhere to be found in that universe. Prime tore his armor open and wasnt standing there. So,how did he win? Show me proof that Monarch is dead.

Yes,but we dont know where Monarch is or if he died. Just because they involved Prime in a story before Monarch that doesnt mean he is dead. Geez.

Prime didnt defeat Monarch. he tore open the armor and it ended with both losing. Monarch's whereabouts are unknown and Prime was bfr'd. On this board that counts as a loss.

Terrax destroyed a planet. Not really that impressive,but it shows that Prime needed a powerup to accomplish what Terrax can do on his own. Pushing a planet isnt impressive imo. It doesnt mean you can win a fight imo.

Prime was pulled out of the timestream imo. A monitor shield also survived this blast. Monitor shield>Prime but the looks of the comic. Prime didnt hold his ground and didnt stay put. Thats the point.

Thanos is more powerful,more durable,more versatile,and more intelligent. He also has shields that Prime will have to work for to even break through.

2. Monarch EXPLODED. Him EXPLODING was the cause of the blast, and a blast of that magnitude would have clearly knocked SMP back. When we see Time Trapper pull SMP from the past, we see him floating in space, not about to have Monarch explode in front of him. All evidence says that Monarch died. Bring some that he is alive. Oh, and SMP did this AFTER he lost the Guardian Amp.

3. No, the fact that Monarch exploded means he probably died.

4. Both losing? SMP wouldn't be BFRed, he would be knocked back, but given his speed could return to the battlefield. It was a totally separate force, the Time Trapper, that pulled him from the past. So no, SMP was not BFRed by Monarch's blast. Monarch exploded. Figure it out.

5. Prime already destroyed planets in IC by pushing them into eachother...And pushing a planet is more impressive, your opinion is irrelevant when facts are it takes more energy to push a planet out of orbit(let alone at the high speeds SMP pushed it at) than to destroy one. And yes, it can help you win a fight, since it is just another feat SMP has over Thanos. 🙂

6. He was. After the blast. Monitor Shields are durable I guess. 🙂 Like Prime is. Prime was in space, then was taken out by Time Trapper, and was shown to be fine. With SMP's speed, he can return.

7. SMP survived flying through Anti-Matter. None of Thanos' durability feats match that. SMP one punched a planet in half and destroyed a large section of the Source Wall with HEat Vision. What is Thanos' best power feat? Destroying a planet while fighting Drax? Versatility and intelligence yes. Shields that have stood up to what? And don't say Galactus, Galactus acknowledged that they were stronger than the average shield, but showed no difficulty in breaking them.

If Monarch couldn't win this, how is Thanos going to?

With t3h Force Block! thanduros

You mean that attack that could only hold Odin for a second or two? If he could even get it off before being speedblitzed to death it might slow SMP down for like a nanosecond, but that's all

Odin, quite literally, destroyed it by raising his fists upward.

At first I thought Odin was gonna pwn with t3h Spirit Bomb.

But yeah, SMP at Guardian Amped can break it pretty easily.

Superboy Prime loses.