Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes vs...Gladiator= Supes
Sentry= Supes
Thor= Supes
Quasar= Quasar
Surfer= Surfer
Blackbolt= Supes
Beta ray Bill= SupesInsane LightRay vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Lightray
Beta ray Bill= BRBOrion w/MB and AF vs...
Gladiator= Orion
Sentry= Orion
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Orion
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Black Bolt
Beta ray Bill= OrionHal Jordan vs...
Gladiator= Hal
Sentry= Hal
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Hal
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Hal
Beta ray Bill= HalFirestorm vs...
Gladiator= Firestorm
Sentry= Firestorm
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= FirestormMartian Manhunter vs...
Gladiator= Manhunter
Sentry= Sentry
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Quasar
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Manhunter
Beta Ray Bill= BRBBlack Adam vs...
Gladiator= Gladiator
Sentry= Black Adam
Thor= Thor
Quasar= Black Adam
Silver Surfer= Surfer
Black Bolt= Blackbolt
Beta ray Bill= Black AdamTotals
23/49 wins Team DC
26/49 wins Team Marvel
Insane Lightray is the fasted quantifiable person on the field. Having fought Takion at 8 times the speed of light. He would beat Sentry and Gladiator simply becuz he is faster and strong enough to put a hurt on them. And his energy control powers are beyond either of thiers. Better versatility. He's even created a sun and this is while at his lame normal self.
How does Sentry beat a phased hand to the brain against MM again? Sentry has shown control over immaterial beings? On MM's level of strength?
Exactly how does BB beat Orion? But BRB doesn't? I'd wager BRB to be more powerful than BB. And how does surfer beat Orion when he's Superman's physical match with none of the weaknesses and far superior energy projection. Hell Thor and Orion hit the hardest of anyone in the field when everything is totalled up.
Originally posted by fangirl101
couple of things I dont' agree with. A See Superman beating Qausar. He's far too fast and powerful to be pwned by Quasar.Insane Lightray is the fasted quantifiable person on the field. Having fought Takion at 8 times the speed of light. He would beat Sentry and Gladiator simply becuz he is faster and strong enough to put a hurt on them. And his energy control powers are beyond either of thiers. Better versatility. He's even created a sun and this is while at his lame normal self.
How does Sentry beat a phased hand to the brain against MM again? Sentry has shown control over immaterial beings? On MM's level of strength?
Exactly how does BB beat Orion? But BRB doesn't? I'd wager BRB to be more powerful than BB. And how does surfer beat Orion when he's Superman's physical match with none of the weaknesses and far superior energy projection. Hell Thor and Orion hit the hardest of anyone in the field when everything is totalled up.
Black Bolt is the weak link her, a blitz from Supes is all it would take to put him down. Insane Lightway is overpowered in this fight, peak energy manip with combat speed at 8 time FTL....that in itself will take out Glad,Sentry. BA beats SS, SS has a weakness to magica and BA is a purly magical being who is peers with Supes. Orion defeats or either stalemates Thor amd Jordan and FS amp Supes with solar energy. Team 1 FTW.
Originally posted by fangirl101Does IL have quantifiable 8X combat feats? If not, I don't see how he could possibly be faster than Glads to say nothing of the Silver Surfer.
Insane Lightray is the fasted quantifiable person on the field. Having fought Takion at 8 times the speed of light. He would beat Sentry and Gladiator simply becuz he is faster and strong enough to put a hurt on them.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Does IL have quantifiable 8X combat feats? If not, I don't see how he could possibly be faster than Glads to say nothing of the Silver Surfer.
Yup
Takion ended up having to fight lightray and the guy hit him so hard and fast Takion didn't even know who it was he was fighting.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
You know, this looks about right to me. I might give Gladiator a couple more wins, assuming that he's bringing his A-Game, and I'm having difficulty seeing BB taking BA over BrB, but all in all, it looks good. Marvel takes it, IMO.
And the reason I gave BB the win over BA and not BRB is primarily due to BB's use of Antimatter blast in combat(and Antimatter is often tough for DC boys to handle). I see BRB trying to get physical with Adam and while I think it would be a good fight I see Adam's combination of ability and ruthlessness as being to much in the end.
I think that most people are massively underestimating what Blackbolt brings to the table in this fight. He might be lower in power than many of those present, but Antimatter is something that has a major impact on many characters from DC and BB's more likely to start throwing it around than anyone else on the field.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Yup
Takion ended up having to fight lightray and the guy hit him so hard and fast Takion didn't even know who it was he was fighting.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Just because they're moving at 8x lightspeed doesn't mean that they're FIGHTING at 8x lightspeed. I can post scans of Surfer squaring of with Drax on his board while traveling from Titan to the Sun in a matter of moments(so they were flying at well beyond 8x lightspeed), but would you accept that as a combat speed feat?
Originally posted by fangirl101
Takion out right says they are fighting And he gains the upperhand and turns the battle so that they are heading back to the moon. What is so hard to miss about that? Takion Assume Control, I guess since they aren't duking it out at that speed then He just takes the wheel. Basically what you are trying to say.
Originally posted by darthgooberThat's what I was wondering about. This appears to be a travel speed feat. The above scan really doesn't do much to solidfy Lightray as the fastest character in the matchups. Surfer has much faster feats, as does Superman, and I'm pretty sure Gladiator does as well.
Just because they're moving at 8x lightspeed doesn't mean that they're FIGHTING at 8x lightspeed. I can post scans of Surfer squaring of with Drax on his board while traveling from Titan to the Sun in a matter of moments(so they were flying at well beyond 8x lightspeed), but would you accept that as a combat speed feat?
I'm not questioning his power, but I don't see how one could say that he is the fastest.
Originally posted by AcrosurgeI said he was the fastest in quantifiable battle speed.
That's what I was wondering about. This appears to be a travel speed feat. The above scan really doesn't do much to solidfy Lightray as the fastest character in the matchups. Surfer has much faster feats, as does Superman, and I'm pretty sure Gladiator does as well.I'm not questioning his power, but I don't see how one could say that he is the fastest.
For those that think They weren't fighting and want to belittle the speed feat and the power here it is It looks like they were fighting the WHOLE time to me. Keep in mind lightray criss crossed Apok Thousands of times and had time to lay down light sensors. He also has created a super sun while weak and turned himself into a human sun knife hotter than that of temp of a few suns.
OH AND NOTICE LIGHTRAY"S HAND IN TAKION"S FACE AS THEY FLY. Like hell they weren't fighting at those speeds.
Originally posted by fangirl101
For those that think They weren't fighting and want to belittle the speed feat and the power here it is It looks like they were fighting the WHOLE time to me. Keep in mind lightray criss crossed Apok Thousands of times and had time to lay down light sensors. He also has created a super sun while weak and turned himself into a human sun knife hotter than that of temp of a few suns.OH AND NOTICE LIGHTRAY"S HAND IN TAKION"S FACE AS THEY FLY. Like hell they weren't fighting at those speeds.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Looks like a bullrush until they land back on the Moon, and a bullrush at 8x lightspeed is something that Surfer, Gladiator, and Sentry are all capable of matching and exceeding. Just because Lightray's stiffarming Takion in one panel doesn't mean that he was throwing punches at x8 lightspeed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Looks like a bullrush until they land back on the Moon, and a bullrush at 8x lightspeed is something that Surfer, Gladiator, and Sentry are all capable of matching and exceeding. Just because Lightray's stiffarming Takion in one panel doesn't mean that he was throwing punches at x8 lightspeed.
QFT. Thats more of atravel speed feat than anything else.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Show me sentry, glads or surfer "bullrushing"someone on takion's level at 8 times light speed. Hell show me either of them doing so to someone on thier own level. of course they were fighting at those speeds. Hence showing lightray's hand smashed in takion's face and the statement takion makes that he has to assert himself and take control. any attempt at demeaning the feat can surely be done in reverse to anyone of the people you just mentioned. And the fact that Takion's face is drawn with his mouth open as in anger or anguish leads me to believe they were FIGHTING at those speeds. And what the **** is a bull rush? It looks like Takion Got hit before he had time to react. That smacks of blitz to me.
And it IS done in reverse to the people I just mentioned, that's the whole point. None of them are credited with uber combat speed based of their slamming into another character and there's no reason for Lightray to be considered an exception to the rule.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Black Bolt is the weak link her, a blitz from Supes is all it would take to put him down. Insane Lightway is overpowered in this fight, peak energy manip with combat speed at 8 time FTL....that in itself will take out Glad,Sentry. BA beats SS, SS has a weakness to magica and BA is a purly magical being who is peers with Supes. Orion defeats or either stalemates Thor amd Jordan and FS amp Supes with solar energy. Team 1 FTW.
Wait a minute. Did u just say that SS has a weakness to magic? 😕