7 of DC's best vs. 7 of Marvel's best

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Bullrushing utilizes traveling speed rather than combat speed, thus traveling feats are the ones that are applicable when figuring out it's results(because all they're doing is slamming into them as fast as possible). What's more, Lightray didn't even bullrush Takion at that speed because Takion notes the acceleration from supersonic to lightspeed after he's hit.

And it IS done in reverse to the people I just mentioned, that's the whole point. None of them are credited with uber combat speed based of their slamming into another character and there's no reason for Lightray to be considered an exception to the rule.


I consider this a combat feat becuz Takion cleary is being accelerated in a direction he doesn't want to go. Light ray is using force to move Takion. of course oyu think takion and lightray are just hugging as lightray moves toward the sun wear he'll be even more powerful. So Takion just let's lightray keep his hand in his face. Hah. That isn't even what the next panel shows. It shows Takion with an angry face or open mouth face no hand. One would assume the hand has been removed by force or being used to attack elsewhere.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
I consider this a combat feat becuz Takion cleary is being accelerated in a direction he doesn't want to go. Light ray is using force to move Takion. of course oyu think takion and lightray are just hugging as lightray moves toward the sun wear he'll be even more powerful. So Takion just let's lightray keep his hand in his face. Hah. That isn't even what the next panel shows. It shows Takion with an angry face or open mouth face no hand. One would assume the hand has been removed by force or being used to attack elsewhere.

Takion said that the trip took a minute right? Isn't a minute enough time for your hand to move from an opponents face even if you and your opponent are both human?

And I'm not even saying that they weren't fighting at high speeds, just that there's no proof they were throwing and reacting to punches at 8x lightspeed.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Takion said that the trip took a minute right? Isn't a minute enough time for your hand to move from an opponents face even if you and your opponent are both human?

And I'm not even saying that they weren't fighting at high speeds, just that there's no proof they were throwing and reacting to punches at 8x lightspeed.


takion said the trip less than a minute. They were moving faster than 8x light speed. And I'm assuming they had to be reacting at those speeds in order to be aware of where they were headed and exert force to control the direction of the fight. It's never explained how takion gained the upper hand, but he did have to use force to do it. And then he pushed the speed even faster. this all of course during a fight.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
takion said the trip less than a minute. They were moving faster than 8x light speed. And I'm assuming they had to be reacting at those speeds in order to be aware of where they were headed and exert force to control the direction of the fight. It's never explained how takion gained the upper hand, but he did have to use force to do it. And then he pushed the speed even faster. this all of course during a fight.

If we're going off of the theory that they'd have to be able to react at those speeds to navigate and such then the same applies to Surfer, Sentry, and Gladiator. And since all three of them have feats of traveling speed that surpass x8 lightspeed....

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
If we're going off of the theory that they'd have to be able to react at those speeds to navigate and such then the same applies to Surfer, Sentry, and Gladiator. And since all three of them have feats of traveling speed that surpass x8 lightspeed....

Surfer travel's via hyperspace correct? And It's not that they were just traveling, they were traveling while in struggle. changing course and such as the fight progressed. clearly not a travel speed only feat.

Acrosurge Lumine Infinitus

Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer travel's via hyperspace correct? And It's not that they were just traveling, they were traveling while in struggle. changing course and such as the fight progressed. clearly not a travel speed only feat.
He can, but he's not limited to Hyperspace travel if he wants to attain ludicrous speed. See the Infinity Gauntlet feat in which he travels light years in a moment.

As to the feat in question, it is an impressive speed feat, but I really don't see it as proof of real combat speed.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Acrosurge
He can, but he's not limited to Hyperspace travel if he wants to attain ludicrous speed. See the Infinity Gauntlet feat in which he travels light years in a moment.

As to the feat in question, it is an impressive speed feat, but I really don't see it as proof of real combat speed.


I suppose being in combat at high motion isn't a combat speed fight. They were playing patti cake all the way from the moon to the sun.

darthgoober Senior Member

How impressive of a combat speed feat would this qualify as(keep in mind that the encounter starts on Titan, which is quite a bit further from the Sun than the Earth is)...





fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
How impressive of a combat speed feat would this qualify as(keep in mind that the encounter starts on Titan, which is quite a bit further from the Sun than the Earth is)...






As impressive as Drax is at holding on to the board, they don't touch each other, Surfer is merely trying to shake drax, and I dont know how fast they are going. It's not quantifiable. Which was my earlier point.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
As impressive as Drax is at holding on to the board, they don't touch each other, Surfer is merely trying to shake drax, and I dont know how fast they are going. It's not quantifiable. Which was my earlier point.

Surfer's moving around and changing position on the board and doing things like aiming for that asteroid, and that more in the way of complex actions that anything we see from Lightray during his bullrush against Takion. As for how fast they were going, you can just just do the math(you like to do that kind of thing right?) since the action is unbroken from start to finish.

ultimatethor Senior Member

Originally posted by Acrosurge
He can, but he's not limited to Hyperspace travel if he wants to attain ludicrous speed. See the Infinity Gauntlet feat in which he travels light years in a moment.

As to the feat in question, it is an impressive speed feat, but I really don't see it as proof of real combat speed.

You see the thing is that fangirl is taking the two words "combat" and "speed" to literally. Saying oh well they were "in combat" and using "speed" so we say he has "combat speed". The thing is if that was the main point of combat speed, we would not have all these debates regarding it. By "combat speed", we mean a character being able to repeatedly initiate superfast attacks. That scan does not show light ray repeatedly attacking at light speed. It shows him flying at light speed but the actual blows( if he actually did throw any blows) he initiates are not shown to be anywhere close to this.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Guys - if you're moving at 8x lightspeed, and you're throwing punches at the same time...then your punches are 8x lightspeed with respect to the observer.

ultimatethor Senior Member
Originally posted by Enyalus
Guys - if you're moving at 8x lightspeed, and you're throwing punches at the same time...then your punches are 8x lightspeed with respect to the observer.

Thats not accurate. If u are flying forward at eight times light speed, the punches u throw are not necessarily equal to the speed u are moving at.
Also no regular obserevr will be able to even see what u r doing and those few who can, certainly wont see the speed of ur punches as being equal to the speed of ur forward movement.

tdazz God
Originally posted by Enyalus
Guys - if you're moving at 8x lightspeed, and you're throwing punches at the same time...then your punches are 8x lightspeed with respect to the observer.

No it doesn't. If a pilot in a fighter jet throws a punch while traveling at mach 3 does that doesn't mean that he punches at mach 3.

Just because they were traveling at FTL speeds doesn't neccessarily mean their punches were traveling FTL.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!
Originally posted by tdazz
No it doesn't. If a pilot in a fighter jet throws a punch while traveling at mach 3 does that doesn't mean that he punches at mach 3.

To an observer who sees it - yes, I think it does.

...But I'm not thinking clearly tonight. I may have to concede the point.

tdazz God

Originally posted by Enyalus
To an observer who sees it - yes, I think it does.

...But I'm not thinking clearly tonight. I may have to concede the point.

I think you might too. It's kinda like wiggling a pencil in front of your face. To an observer it would look like the pencil is flexible and bending even though it's not.

Again I use the example of the fighter jet. If two people are fighting in that jet and it's going mach 3, it doesn't mean that they are throwing punches at the speed of mach 3. They would be throwing normal speed punches while travelling at mach 3, know what I mean?

We have to assume this in comics as well, just because two characters are travelling a 8x the speed of light doesn't mean their punches are being thrown at that speed (unless it's stated of course).

Nestical The dead,are not silent
Originally posted by fangirl101
takion said the trip less than a minute. They were moving faster than 8x light speed. And I'm assuming they had to be reacting at those speeds in order to be aware of where they were headed and exert force to control the direction of the fight. It's never explained how takion gained the upper hand, but he did have to use force to do it. And then he pushed the speed even faster. this all of course during a fight.

is it me or could we have trion juggs fighting catwoman but fangirl will still think of a way for her to win?you are such a DC mark & its sad.ss damn near solos

kakuzu A new heart I see!!

Marvel wins this. DC people here can't do to much. Marvel has way more attacks to use an what not.

fangirl101 Restricted
Originally posted by kakuzu
Marvel wins this. DC people here can't do to much. Marvel has way more attacks to use an what not.

Superman-Superior Strength to everyone on the field except Orion. Superior Speed. Heat Vision. Flash freeze breadth. Uber Durability.

Insane LightRay-Superior Energy wielding, light constructs, Energy manip, Matter manip, Superior strength and durability, Speed, etc.

Orion with MBandAF-System shattering AF blast, Force fields, Superman level strength,Speed, Magnetic powers, Shields, healing factor, uber durability, near endless stamina, MB that can alter reality, heal, intercept energy fields, scan for weaknesses, etc.

Hal Jordan- Most versatile Weapon on the field. Able to convert beings into light and absorb them into ring, create constructs, invisibility, speed, shields, able to amp strength and durability, pinpoint weaknesses, block telepathy, etc.

Firestorm(Classic)- Ability to alter molecular structure, high level energy manipulator, even able to manipulate omega force, intangibility,Flight, indestructible constructs etc.

Martian Manhunter- High level Telepathy, Intangibility, Speed, strength, Stamina, shape changing, invisibility, high level energy projection, wind breath, healing ability, etc

Black Adam- Extremely high level durability, extreme high level healing ability, speed, strength, stamina, control over magical lightning that can harm even the spectre,

One Thing I notice is That DC more often than Not has higher end strength levels, Higher End Speed levels and would be fighting on a faster tier.

Bouboumaster Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman-Superior Strength to everyone on the field except Orion. Superior Speed. Heat Vision. Flash freeze breadth. Uber Durability.

Insane LightRay-Superior Energy wielding, light constructs, Energy manip, Matter manip, Superior strength and durability, Speed, etc.

Orion with MBandAF-System shattering AF blast, Force fields, Superman level strength,Speed, Magnetic powers, Shields, healing factor, uber durability, near endless stamina, MB that can alter reality, heal, intercept energy fields, scan for weaknesses, etc.

Hal Jordan- Most versatile Weapon on the field. Able to convert beings into light and absorb them into ring, create constructs, invisibility, speed, shields, able to amp strength and durability, pinpoint weaknesses, block telepathy, etc.

Firestorm(Classic)- Ability to alter molecular structure, high level energy manipulator, even able to manipulate omega force, intangibility,Flight, indestructible constructs etc.

Martian Manhunter- High level Telepathy, Intangibility, Speed, strength, Stamina, shape changing, invisibility, high level energy projection, wind breath, healing ability, etc

Black Adam- Extremely high level durability, extreme high level healing ability, speed, strength, stamina, control over magical lightning that can harm even the spectre,

One Thing I notice is That DC more often than Not has higher end strength levels, Higher End Speed levels and would be fighting on a faster tier.

Ok, here's a question: Who, on Team DC is a match for Current (Bad ass) Silver Surfer? Who could beat him?