quan's greatest fear.
Originally posted by NemeBroI can't see this lie. Coward.
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I watched Winter Soldier, finally.
I also watched the "Making of" and they explain that Steve Rogers was trained over the last 2 years which is why he's so much better at fighting.
I say Ozymandias is still stronger than Steve Rogers but a comfortable margin. But their skill level is about the same in H2H. Steve Rogers definitely has greater endurance by feats. Ozy has better reflexes, obviously.
I say this goes 50-50. In fact, I view Rogers character's fighting ability to just be Ozymandias in the Captain America suit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I watched Winter Soldier, finally.I also watched the "Making of" and they explain that Steve Rogers was trained over the last 2 years which is why he's so much better at fighting.
I say Ozymandias is still stronger than Steve Rogers but a comfortable margin. But their skill level is about the same in H2H. Steve Rogers definitely has greater endurance by feats. Ozy has better reflexes, obviously.
I say this goes 50-50. In fact, I view Rogers character's fighting ability to just be Ozymandias in the Captain America suit.
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I'd still give Ozy the edge in fighting-skill over Cap, he casually fended off two skilled opponents at the same time while having a discussion and was not trying to kill or seriously harm them.
Cap is stronger, lifting that massive steel support beam beats anything Ozy did, even if it was only a few inches. That thing had to weight at least 20tons.
Second pic has nothing to do with the topic, but when does side-boob need a reason.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd still give Ozy the edge in fighting-skill over Cap, he casually fended off two skilled opponents at the same time while having a discussion and was not trying to kill or seriously harm them.Cap is stronger, lifting that massive steel support beam beats anything Ozy did, even if it was only a few inches. That thing had to weight at least 20tons.
Second pic has nothing to do with the topic, but when does side-boob need a reason.
I disagree with your assessment. That beam had a fulcrum and it was angled down (meaning, even easier to pick up). We do not know how much force he used to pick it up. It may have been just a tiny bit and he struggled because he was full of bullets. Additionally, we do not know the material being used: we can just as logically conclude it is some sort of ultra-light super material because it is being used on an air-craft that is physically impossible with the materials we have available, today.
Basically, ambiguous feats do not do much to make a case. At best, it was approaching a ton.
But, here is a chart that tells you how much a steel i-beam weighs:
http://www.saginawpipe.com/i-beams_jr._beams.htm
In fact, I'd say that what cap did in that scene is within human-levels of strength, assuming it was made of industrial steel and not a futuristic super material (which would be required).
Disagreed, it was a super-human feat since we know Captain America is super-human with immense levels of strength and he strained to perform that feat.
ie If a "human levels" person could have done it, Cap wouldn't have strained.
We also don't just assume "super future lightweight material", we go with what it appears to be [a steel beam] until it's proven to be something different.
Originally posted by Robtard
Disagreed, it was a super-human feat since we know Captain America is super-human with immense levels of strength and he strained to perform that feat.ie If a "human levels" person could have done it, Cap wouldn't have strained.
Originally posted by dadudemon
...and he struggled because he was full of bullets.
Originally posted by Robtard
We also don't just assume "super future lightweight material", we go with what it appears to be [a steel beam] until it's proven to be something different.
Nah. This would be dumb to do. Since, by necessity, Hellacarriers would literally not be able to fly unless their support structures were largely ultra-super light and super strong materials, you need to prove a whole bunch of things, first, before we can start to believe they aren't just 100lbs orthogonally bonded graphene support structures.
occam's razor
Since the feat is too ambiguous and too many unknowns are involved, it cannot be reasonably determined if he used just 20lbs of lifting force or 800. Regardless, neither of those are superhuman feats.
Occam's Razor supports the steel beam. It looks like a massive steel beam and it took a super-powered being great strain to lift it. ergo, it's a steel beam and not this "100lbs future material".
I also reject your helicarrier "could not fly" theory. It is powered and lifted by fictional power units, so they don't have to conform to physics.