Off Topic Circle Jerk

Originally posted by dadudemon
Orthogonally bonded graphene sheets would work. We just do not have the capability of producing that stuff in mass quantities much less bonding them like that. They are working on it, in real life, but they are not there.

Or vibranium. Or adamantium. Or the materials Thor's hammer is made out of.

Anything that is far stronger than steel works to help make this happen. Bonus if it is ultra-light: not as much mass required to get the desired strength if it is ultra-light, too.

Yes but the ship was not made out of any of that. So its assumption rather then just marvel didn't care.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Orthogonally bonded graphene sheets would work. We just do not have the capability of producing that stuff in mass quantities much less bonding them like that. They are working on it, in real life, but they are not there.

Or vibranium. Or adamantium. Or the materials Thor's hammer is made out of.

Anything that is far stronger than steel works to help make this happen. Bonus if it is ultra-light: not as much mass required to get the desired strength if it is ultra-light, too.

Its much worse than that. He didn't deadlift that support piece. He just barely picked it up and slid it. But he used similar muscles that would be involved in a deadlift. Additionally, it was easy to hold...nothing suggested it was unweidly. What, was it supposed to be slippery and I missed that?

No he was straining beyond belief to lift that, like it was really hard for him to lift. But real world lifts are different then lifts at a gym. Like much different. I can go squat 225 lbs times, but I can't go squat a support beam with the weight no distributed properly and the bar not being made to sit on my shoulders correctly. Everything in a gym is anatomically made to hold, lift and press with the least pain and uncomfort while yelding true weight that is balanced.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes but the ship was not made out of any of that. So its assumption rather then just marvel didn't care.

That's true and I will definitely concede that point. But in a versus discussion, this stuff matters, so we have to come up with ways for these things to work within physics if we are going to claim "this person is strong." How so? What were the conditions? etc.

Since it seems obvious that the helacarriers (both versions) could not exist in the real world without the existence of super materials for their support structures, we can definitely agree that they are made out of future tech. We will be seeing more of this future tech when SWORD is introduced.

Since Robtard was adamant it be steel, I let him try to explore that avenue: it's still not a superhuman feat. Even if 200 more pounds are added, it is still within human ability. Even if 300 more pounds are added and we make it a weird setup with a funny shaped bar, it's still not super-human.

Even worse, even if we double the weight, it's still not even remotely close to Ozy's best strength feats much less Captain's own best strength feats.

So why does it make any bit of sense to try and use a below human to slightly above human strength feat to make a case when Captain has stronger feats?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No he was straining beyond belief to lift that, like it was really hard for him to lift. But real world lifts are different then lifts at a gym. Like much different. I can go squat 225 lbs times, but I can't go squat a support beam with the weight no distributed properly and the bar not being made to sit on my shoulders correctly. Everything in a gym is anatomically made to hold, lift and press with the least pain and uncomfort while yelding true weight that is balanced.

Strongman competitions acknowledge your point but disagree with what you're trying to convey.

You're not wrong: it is harder and it is more difficult for the strongman competitors to lift that same amount of weight in awkward ways, but they still do it.

They have a deadlift event on a car that has them pick up a 1000+ lbs vehicle. The leverage makes it lighter. The fact that the shocks provide some initial lift on the car also helps. But it is an awkward and unnatural lift that is much different from the gym. So, yes, I agree that it makes it harder, but not significantly harder.

Ok well assuming Captain is 5X stronger then a human that kind of lift actually could be a problem for 5 humans.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Strongman competitions acknowledge your point but disagree with what you're trying to convey.

You're not wrong: it is harder and it is more difficult for the strongman competitors to lift that same amount of weight in awkward ways, but they still do it.

They have a deadlift event on a car that has them pick up a 1000+ lbs vehicle. The leverage makes it lighter. The fact that the shocks provide some initial lift on the car also helps. But it is an awkward and unnatural lift that is much different from the gym. So, yes, I agree that it makes it harder, but not significantly harder.

True, but look at those Strongmen guys they are basically superhuman as well. They are like trucks standing up.

Cap being stronger than Ozy is really causing DDM to meltdown.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap being stronger than Ozy is really causing DDM to meltdown.

Ozy has some insane feats, instead of ignoring them, act like an adult and debate them and quit stirring the pot.

Cap's strength feats are better.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap's strength feats are better.

You have mentioned his motorcycle lift, yet I have watched both movies and never seen it. You also have suggested him punching that submarines glass was a huge feat, that was a personal submarine and those don't go deep and that glass was pathetic.

Where is Ozy threw around other Super humans like rag dolls. Also superior strength does not always win a fight. Case in Point, Bane vs Batman or Ironman vs Whiplash.

HYG TE:

It was during his touring and fund raising scenes.

Harley-Davidson WLA weigh in at about 550lbs.

Originally posted by Robtard
HYG TE:

It was during his touring and fund raising scenes.

He lifted it right up from the floor? I watched the first movie like 3 times and never seen that.

Originally posted by Robtard
HYG TE:

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It was during his touring and fund raising scenes.

Harley-Davidson WLA weigh in at about 550lbs.

He's just trolling me again, it's what he does for fun.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's just trolling me again, it's what he does for fun.

😆 😆

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He lifted it right up from the floor? I watched the first movie like 3 times and never seen that.

HYG TE:

YouTube video

Well those fcks made sure to not show how he got on a car with 3 girls and a motocycle above his head.

SM made it sound like he lifted the motorcycle. When in reality he is shown on top a car, with 3 girls ontop a motorcycle over his head. Are we assuming he hauled the bike to the roof of the car, the girls got on it and he lifted them all while on the roof of the car?

With what you've seen Cap do, are you in doubt that he could lift an awkward 900ish pounds over his head?

Originally posted by Robtard
With what you've seen Cap do, are you in doubt that he could lift an awkward 900ish pounds over his head?

I guess not I just question how the hell he got up there 😆 😆

Cos he's American