Off Topic Circle Jerk

The problem is this:

Too many people go by what is implied as power in the Matrix instead of going by seen feats onscreen. The main rule here in the MVF is that we HAVE to go by what is seen on screen and not by what is implied or what we have an idea of what WOULD/MIGHT happen. Period.

If the Matrix character does do a specific feat on screen (numerous clones, flight, super speed, mega kung fu skills, etc.) then I see no problem with people debating said characters in a thread.

All I ask is that people who disagree with this should, please, steer clear of any Matrix thread and let other posters have a non-hostile debate.

A suggestion for a new sub-forum...

I've recently been looking through the Comics Vs Forum, and they have a sub-section called Battlezone. I looked through it and it seems like an interesting and good idea...

Basically its an area where two members face off each other in a 1v1 debate. They take turns arguing for their case and after a set time/date, members get to vote for who is most convincing. Members being people with over 1000 posts, thats their set standard anyway. After a tally at the closing time for the debate, a winner is decided.

In most cases I saw there, the only people that should be posting during the debate duration are the two debaters. However, I've seen instances where other members can ask questions. That seems like a good idea, but questions should be on clarification of points made only.

Now there are many good reasons for such a section:

1. It would be intense, no-BS debating, with people observing and pride on the line if you are geeky enough.

2. How many times have we had someone dead to rights in a debate only to have them go off on a tangent, ignoring your arguments or have some other buddy jump in and talk nonsense?
This won't happen in the Battlezone section, because its a 1v1, and ignoring your opponents points or failing to address his/her argument will be apparent, and hopefully, members will vote accordingly (and without bias).

3. Arguments will be of a higher level. Because there is something on the line, we won't see any of the frequent half-assed arguments that we see in the ordinary debate section.

And I'm sure there are other good reasons I can't think of yet, plus the concept of a 1v1 deathmatch concept is just cool by itself.

Here's an example of one...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t509163.html

BTW, if anyone bothers to read it, I think OneDumbG0 won it rather convincingly. And as I mentioned before, all the posts are substantial, not doing so will probably result in being the loser.

Also if this gets rolling, they have things like tournaments and other such things.

What do you guys think?

That actually sounds really cool.

I like the sound of it also.

But what is to keep others from chiming in?

Originally posted by Placidity
A suggestion for a new sub-forum...

I've recently been looking through the Comics Vs Forum, and they have a sub-section called Battlezone. I looked through it and it seems like an interesting and good idea...

Basically its an area where two members face off each other in a 1v1 debate. They take turns arguing for their case and after a set time/date, members get to vote for who is most convincing. Members being people with over 1000 posts, thats their set standard anyway. After a tally at the closing time for the debate, a winner is decided.

In most cases I saw there, the only people that should be posting during the debate duration are the two debaters. However, I've seen instances where other members can ask questions. That seems like a good idea, but questions should be on clarification of points made only.

Now there are many good reasons for such a section:

1. It would be intense, no-BS debating, with people observing and pride on the line if you are geeky enough.

2. How many times have we had someone dead to rights in a debate only to have them go off on a tangent, ignoring your arguments or have some other buddy jump in and talk nonsense?
This won't happen in the Battlezone section, because its a 1v1, and ignoring your opponents points or failing to address his/her argument will be apparent, and hopefully, members will vote accordingly (and without bias).

3. Arguments will be of a higher level. Because there is something on the line, we won't see any of the frequent half-assed arguments that we see in the ordinary debate section.

And I'm sure there are other good reasons I can't think of yet, plus the concept of a 1v1 deathmatch concept is just cool by itself.

Here's an example of one...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t509163.html

BTW, if anyone bothers to read it, I think OneDumbG0 won it rather convincingly. And as I mentioned before, all the posts are substantial, not doing so will probably result in being the loser.

Also if this gets rolling, they have things like tournaments and other such things.

What do you guys think?

cool idea

I hate all of you.

There. I said it.

I feel better now. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But what is to keep others from chiming in?

I'm sure Imped can strike fear into their hearts.

Originally posted by Placidity
I'm sure Imped can strike fear into their hearts.

I'll mod it, if necessary, however, I'm still fuzzy to the idea.

Care to elaborate?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But what is to keep others from chiming in?

Self-control.

It's not hard.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Self-control.

It's not hard.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It was rhetorical. You and I both know it aint gonna happen.

Not with your kind around.

-AC

Originally posted by Placidity
A suggestion for a new sub-forum...

What do you guys think?

Like the Thunderdome of the MVF, "two men enter, one man leaves."

✅ Hardcore.

Originally posted by Impediment
I hate all of you.

There. I said it.

I feel better now. 🙂

😂

Good. 😛

Concerning Matrix (especially Neo) character fights:

I'm not going to allow any more of this hypothetical rhetoric. It's very infuriating to some to merely go by what is implied that Neo might do.

Neo has super speed, telekinesis, flight, fight skills, awareness, and killer reflexes.

Neo did not "re-write the Matrix" in any of the films, so this is how it will stand. Neo might be "The One", but he is not God while in the Matrix.

Originally posted by Impediment
Concerning Matrix (especially Neo) character fights:

I'm not going to allow any more of this hypothetical rhetoric. It's very infuriating to some to merely go by what is implied that Neo might do.

Neo has super speed, telekinesis, flight, fight skills, awareness, and killer reflexes.

Neo did not "re-write the Matrix" in any of the films, so this is how it will stand. Neo might be "The One", but he is not God while in the Matrix.

Very intelligent post. 😄

I admit that I have, previously, said that Matrix fights are spite and very one-sided. Still, I am going to strictly enforce the MVF rule that we will go by "what is seen onscreen". Period.

Neo is a very touchy character. He's too powerful, I say. Most any other movie character would get his ass handed to him by Neo. However, I am not going to outlaw Matrix threads because I feel this way.

Post away, I say.

If people disagree with the thread, then I'll ask them to not participate in the thread.

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On another note, my views on "gimping" threads will be posted in time.

Originally posted by Impediment
On another note, my views on "gimping" threads will be posted in time.

I make very few threads. When I do, I try to think of ways that each character can realize their maximum ability, without gimpling.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here we go......